Climate Conversation Group

Taking the heat out of global warming

For the first time in history, people shouting “the end is nigh” are somehow
the sane ones, while those of us who say it is not are now the lunatics.

  • rss
  • Home
  • Open threads
    • Climate – how to use open threads
      • Meteorology
      • Global warming
      • Climate science
        • Papers
        • Atmosphere
        • Temperature records
        • Energy and fuel
        • Solar
        • Ocean heat content
        • Radiation, radiative imbalance
        • Sea levels
        • Ocean acidification
        • Polar regions, glaciers and ice
      • Regions
        • Europe
        • Asia
        • South America
        • Africa
        • Australia
        • UK
        • USA
        • New Zealand
      • News
      • Controversy and scandal
      • Disproving AGW
      • Economics
    • Politics
      • ETS and carbon taxes
    • UN
      • IPCC organisation
      • IPCC politics
      • IPCC science
      • NIPCC
  • Opinion polls
    • SckSckSck
    • Your view of CO2
    • Collective noun for icebergs
    • Stop the ETS
  • News releases
    • February 8, 2010
    • December 20, 2010
  • Climate Realists
    • Newsletter #17 6 May 2010
    • Newsletter #16 28 Apr 2010
    • Newsletter #6 11 Feb 2010
    • Newsletter #4 2011
  • Files
    • Wind turbine failures
  • About

Hot Topic on Hansen

Richard | May 31, 2009

Earlier this month, Bryan Walker reviewed Gareth Morgan’s global warming book Poles Apart on Hot Topic, raising the subject of “alarmists”. Subsequent comment exposed Dr James Hansen (“father” of global warming) to the charge of exaggeration. So — does he or doesn’t he exaggerate?

Walker objected to the book’s classification of non-sceptical scientists as “alarmists”, saying it’s “for dubious reasons” and not something he recognises from his reading of the “sober work” of climate scientists.

A reader comments that the term alarmists might not be so popular if only people like James Hansen didn’t go around saying things like “The trains carrying coal to power plants are death trains”.

It’s hard to disagree. The last time (the only time?) we heard the expression “death trains” they were describing Hitler’s “final solution”. So the alarm the expression incites is quite justified. As was the apology Hansen issued for distressing Holocaust families.

But Walker defends Hansen from the charge of alarmism, pointing out that the term normally connotes exaggeration. He gives the impression (without actually saying so) that the revered scientist-eco-warrior Hansen would never exaggerate.

Really? This can be tested. What has Hansen actually said? Looking up some of his documents, I quickly found passages that contain a degree of exaggeration — including the “death trains” statement the reader complained of. But please judge for yourself: what do you think? These are his own words.

I’ve no doubt that more perusal of Hansen’s writings will throw up more exaggerations. Can you add to this list (with references, of course)?

The Exaggerations of James Hansen

A. Light Blue Line, Sunday 26 August 2007

Will oceans surge 59 centimetres this century — or 25 metres? quoted from Globe and Mail on lightblueline.

  1. “If we follow ‘business-as-usual’ growth of greenhouse gas emissions, I think that we will lock in a guaranteed sea-level rise of several metres, which, frankly, means that all hell is going to break loose.”
  2. In stark contrast to estimates put forward by the IPCC, Prof. Hansen and his colleagues argue that rapidly melting ice caps in Antarctica and Greenland could cause oceans to swell several metres by 2100 — or maybe even as much as 25 metres, which is how much higher the oceans sat about three million years ago.

B. Testimony before the Iowa Utilities Board, November 2007

retrieved from Hansen’s web site on 30 May 2009

  1. “If we cannot stop the building of more coal-fired power plants, those coal trains will be death trains — no less gruesome than if they were boxcars headed to crematoria, loaded with uncountable irreplaceable species.”

C. Averting Our Eyes, 28 November 2007

retrieved from Hansen’s web site on 30 May 2009

  1. “Burning all fossil fuels, if the CO2 is released into the air, would destroy creation, the planet with its animal and plant life as it has existed for the past several thousand years, the time of civilization, the Holocene, the period of relative climate stability, warm enough to keep ice sheets off North America and Eurasia, but cool enough to maintain Antarctic and Greenland ice, and thus a stable sea level.”

D. The Observer, Sunday 15 February 2009

retrieved from Hansen’s web site on 31 May 2009

  1. “Coal is the single greatest threat to civilisation and all life on our planet.”
  2. “The amount of carbon dioxide in the air has already risen to a dangerous level.”
  3. “If coastal ice shelves buttressing the west Antarctic ice sheet continue to disintegrate, the sheet could disgorge into the ocean, raising sea levels by several metres in a century.”
  4. “Clearly, if we burn all fossil fuels, we will destroy the planet we know. Carbon dioxide would increase to 500 ppm or more. We would set the planet on a course to the ice-free state, with sea level 75 metres higher. Climatic disasters would occur continually.”
  5. “When I testified against the proposed Kingsnorth power plant, I estimated that in its lifetime it would be responsible for the extermination of about 400 species – its proportionate contribution to the number that would be committed to extinction if carbon dioxide rose another 100 ppm.”
  6. “The Australian government… set emission targets so high as to guarantee untold disasters for the young, let alone the unborn.”
  7. “The three countries most responsible, per capita, for filling the air with carbon dioxide from fossil fuels are the UK, the US and Germany, in that order.”
Categories
Alarmists, Global warming
Tags
Hot Topic, James Hansen, Poles Apart
Comments rss
Comments rss
Trackback
Trackback

« Set phasers on stun Bester knows best, uh? »

Leave a Reply

Click here to cancel reply.

Thanks to WordShine for hosting our site:
   WordShine for polished writing
   WordShine for academic editing
   WordShine to say what you mean

Hot off the press

  • NZ temperature record — it’s worse than we thought
  • The fallacy is strong in that one
  • More about the NZ temperature record
  • Sceptics query our truth – we shall besmirch and slander them
  • Mother of a hoax
  • Mass matters
  • Public opinion at tipping point
  • Insensitive climate
  • In the beginning was the Warming
  • No global warming in New Zealand
  • My precious
  • Credible source, credible argument, credible doubt
  • NOAA conducts Orwellian revision of empirical evidence
  • More mindless moping on the Maldives
  • Climate lies in high places
  • A case of the blind leading the climatologists
  • A letter to Gavin Schmidt goes unanswered
  • Real Climate smashes methane disaster theory
  • Recruiting AR5 reviewers on ‘spoofed’ IPCC website
  • Letter to the editor

Latest comments

  • Richard C (NZ) on Sceptics query our truth – we shall besmirch and slander them
  • Richard C (NZ) on Sceptics query our truth – we shall besmirch and slander them
  • Richard C (NZ) on Sceptics query our truth – we shall besmirch and slander them
  • Richard C (NZ) on Sceptics query our truth – we shall besmirch and slander them
  • Richard C (NZ) on Sceptics query our truth – we shall besmirch and slander them
  • Nick on Sceptics query our truth – we shall besmirch and slander them
  • Richard C (NZ) on Climate science
  • Richard C (NZ) on Sceptics query our truth – we shall besmirch and slander them
  • Richard C (NZ) on Sceptics query our truth – we shall besmirch and slander them
  • Richard C (NZ) on Sceptics query our truth – we shall besmirch and slander them
  • Nick on Sceptics query our truth – we shall besmirch and slander them
  • Richard C (NZ) on Sceptics query our truth – we shall besmirch and slander them
  • Richard C (NZ) on Sceptics query our truth – we shall besmirch and slander them
  • Richard C (NZ) on Sceptics query our truth – we shall besmirch and slander them
  • Nick on Sceptics query our truth – we shall besmirch and slander them
  • Richard C (NZ) on UK
  • Richard C (NZ) on Africa
  • Richard C (NZ) on The fallacy is strong in that one
  • Richard C (NZ) on Sceptics query our truth – we shall besmirch and slander them
  • Nick on Sceptics query our truth – we shall besmirch and slander them

PayPal Tip Jar
To support what we do here,
please drop us a tiny tip. Thank you!

Thank you
To those who've been so generous,
I'm humbled. Thanks!


Click to get your own widget

Tags

ACT Activists AGW Air temperature Australia Barry Brill BOM Carbon dioxide Carbon Sense Carbon trading CCG blog Chris de Freitas Christopher Monckton Climate Conversation Group Climate profiteering Climate research Climate Science Court action Data quality Disproving AGW Energy supply ETS Glaciers Global warming Hot Topic IPCC Joanne Nova New Zealand NIWA NIWAgate NZCSC NZ Herald NZ temperature records Peter Gluckman Rajendra Pachauri Royal Society Roy Spencer Sceptics Science bias Sea ice Sea levels UK United Nations Watts Up With That Wind turbines

Categories

Admin

  • Log in
  • Entries RSS
  • Comments RSS
  • WordPress.org

Climate change links

  • Bishop Hill
  • Carbon Sense Coalition
  • Climate Audit—a science blog
  • Climate Debate Daily
  • Climate Depot
  • Climate Etc. (Judith Curry)
  • Climate Realists
  • Global warming at a glance
  • Jo Nova
  • Kiwi Thinker
  • NZ Climate Science Coalition
  • Science of Doom
  • Watts Up With That

 

May 2009
M T W T F S S
« Mar   Jun »
 123
45678910
11121314151617
18192021222324
25262728293031

Previous posts

Oil prices

StatCounter

 
StatCounter
hits
rss Comments rss valid xhtml 1.1 design by jide powered by Wordpress get firefox