Ken, no personal abuse. Your remarks were deleted. – Richard Treadgold

[bruce, these comments are unacceptable and were removed. I insist that you avoid personal abuse. - Richard Treadgold.]

Thanks.

You claimed to have “recreated” NIWA’s graph. You’ve done nothing of the sort. You don’t deserve our spreadsheet.

Remember to answer my questions, especially regarding NIWA’s deception.

“But don’t worry about any commitments I made, I’ll keep them. “

And now you want censorship!

Well, Richard – as I said I can’t use a FOI application to force you compliance. Only ask you to respect your commitments.

I can conclude, though, that you must have something to hide! And probably that you never had any intention to pass on the spreadsheet.

Perhaps you saw my request as a nuisance or disingenuous?

Perhaps you can understand why Prof Jones sent the email he did. Perhaps you are just being human, rather than ethical.

But it does illustrate how cynical you guys are about requests for information,. doesn’t it?

Perhaps a press Release is in Order: “Climate Change deniers refuse to reveal information! Suspected hoax”

Gooses and ganders.

You have twice failed to address my questions. Why should I worry about yours?

You claimed to have “recreated” NIWA’s graph, which surprised us, but you’ve only graphed their data. We’re no longer interested in it.

We no longer wish to show you our spreadsheet.

I don’t tolerate personal abuse. Impolite remarks will be deleted until I run out of patience.

I can’t see any point in relitigating what has been said. I think all the evidence is there for an objective reader.

Richard-I have not done any “work” on this. What I did do is reproduce the NIWA graph from their data. This was to check out a claim made by No Minister that they could manipulate the data to show anything by selecting different base periods. My spreadsheet analysis showed them to be wrong. They had made a fundamental mistake.

This brings home to me the danger of inexperienced people playing with data they don’t understand. I want to make a similar check on the methodology you used. That is why I asked for your spreadsheet.

Any reply to my question of when that will be sent me?

1. We made no mistake. We said, correctly, that NIWA gave no reasons for adjustments. We have never accepted there were no “site effects”. We don’t even use the expression.

4. You quite mis-characterise the question. Listen to me: Do you support NIWA in giving us bogus citations?

There’s no word play, what are you talking about? Incidentally, a single point would hardly qualify as gish galloping.

I’m not allied with any political “trend”, whatever that is. ACT are helping with our campaign to get the temperature records sorted out. I have no connection with the NZCPR. If they are discussing our report, well and good. The European Parliament has seen our report brandished during a debate; it doesn’t mean we have a relationship with them.

You said to me: “I have been able to recreate NIWA’s figure from their description.” That is an interesting statement which made us ask for the details and you kindly sent us your spreadsheet. Now we are curious to know: what work, exactly, have you done on that yourself?

2: I had Al and you agreeing that there are are site effects and therefore need for adjustments. It took a while. Similarly, Ian Wishart has now conceded this is correct. (up to 3 now).

3: Ian made the concession (rather snakily) after I passed on that you now agreed with my points.

4: I think the best way to answer that is “when are you going to stop beating your wife.”
We don’t play with words like that in science – we try to relate to facts. This is typical gish galloping.

But then again you admit that your aims are political, not scientific.

Perhaps I should ask a question:

What political trend are you allied with?
Is it significant that you cooperate with ACT and the Centre for Political Research?
Do you go along with the 9/11 conspiracy viewpoints expressed at the Centre for Political Research forum where your report is being discussed and supported.

Finally, can you give me an idea when your will email me the spreadsheet?