Sure, email the s/sheet to richard [at] wordshine.co.nz. Please state where you got the data, where it was collected, etc. Also whether we can get temperature data from the same station.

Richard.

It’s taken me a while but I have got rainfall records for Mt Cook. Starts in 1928 and there might be a a great deal of scatter but no discernible trend.
(excel tells me that the trend line is 0x + 345mm on the monthly data). I’m not sure if I can post a graph here but I can email you the spreadsheet if you like.

Anyway that is 80+ years of record……. half the time back to 1850. No significant decline in precip..but a substantial decline in glacial extent in that period.

What could be causing it?

Andrew

But the ETS, now there’s the thing! It must be stopped, and the earlier the better, for the longer it goes on the harder its eradication will prove. Public opinion is the only thing the Nats are listening to. Write to your local MP, the PM, the Minister for Climate Change and the Minister for Research, Science and Technology.

If you’d like some hints, go to my campaign page (or press the orange button at the top of this page) and it will start an email for you.

ACT’s John Boscawen is tramping the country talking to everybody who’ll listen and he needs some encouragement. The other one needing encouragement is John Key, who thinks right now that the country wants the ETS.

We are the only ones who can change his mind.

While speaking of Mr Daly it should be noted that he was perhaps the first climate change sceptic to point out that the effects of CO2 on the cliimate declined on a logarithic scale as CO2 increased. I quote: “The CO2 and water vapour will absorb most of the wavelengths totally, but there are gaps …. In fact there are two major gaps known as ‘Radiation Windows’ where the gas molecules find it impossible to increase their vibration. Any infrared rays at these ‘window’ wavelengths will just pass straight through any CO2 or (water) vapour molecules in their way. These windows exist at 3-4 microns and 8-12 microns. ‘The importance of these Radiation Windows cannot be over-emphasised. They represent ‘The Hole in the Greenhouse.’ ” Parentheses mine.

Keep up the good work. With the solar decline and the Greenland volcanoes it is probable that within a few years there will be no need for your work. In the meantime the major effort should be to pressure the NZ Govt to delay the Carbon Tax. New Zealand is in grave danger of shooting itself in the foot without any environmental gain and substantial economic losses.

This offers credible grounds for the astounding endorsement of AGW by so many top-level scientists and scientific organisations. One of the most common questions addressed to sceptics of anthropogenic global warming is simply: “If it’s not true, why do so many scientists say that it is true?” It is a difficult question to answer — and almost as difficult to believe there could be an answer, since scientists are not known for their susceptibility to a mass delusion. One just has to add access to research funds to complete a picture of strong attraction among scientists to the hypothesis of global warming. I have only to link my research to global warming to gain access to the funds I want. Hence so many scientific papers linked to global warming. Each seems to add to the credibility of the man-made warming, when actually each is an off-shoot of the belief in it.

The dearth of papers sceptical of AGW is because everybody is influenced by the prevailing belief, which is that AGW is a fact; so why investigate whether it is true? If your study proves it is true, it will have been a waste of money; if your study proves it is false, nobody will believe the study. So, in a natural progression, investigation of the truth of the matter almost ends.

Whether the nuclear industry is supporting the sceptical view I do not know.

Rather naturally it is the ambition of most scientists to become a leading figure in such an advance. Some succeed by ability, others by luck, and still others, unhappily, by design and deception. The trick is to pretend a major advance has been made, when in fact there has been none. To achieve such a deception, a cabal of scientists, rather than an individual is usually needed. Speaking with one voice, a cabal is often able to shout down lone individuals working in other directions and eventually, by gaining control over what material is published in scientific journals and what is not a cabal can wipe out all opposition.

Such situations cannot arise entirely by design. There must first be what in sport is called the ‘run of the ball’. Facts must at first sight appear to favour the line taken by the cabal. Design comes in when contradictory facts later appear and are deliberately suppressed through the control which the cabal has obtained over the scientific journals. When, furthermore, the cabal’s views proceed to invade the education system, becoming taught to large numbers of students, who faced by the constant burden of difficult examinations, are not in a position to defend themselves, dogma becomes established. Society becomes saddled with a false area of supposed certain knowledge, which besides the damage it causes directly impedes the development of all nearby surrounding areas of science.

The authors were not discussing AGW but the paragraphs conclude chapter 1 of the book entitled “The tendency of human societies to depart from the truth.”

With regard to Richard’s comments re big oil support for climate sceptics, it was the late Mr Daly who in the 1980s first said that there was a likelihood that AGW was being supported by the nuclear industry. This still seems probable to me!

Thanks for the (moderate) advice.

Thanks for the reply Richard.
Phrases like “dont come crying to me” and “I wont care “etc are rude in my view. And unnecessary. But hey its your blog and you can write what you want. I just felt the language used would end up with the emails being ignored as strident.
To me, its all about winning, so personally I would have used less strong words.

Good to hear you are doing a paper. I would help with funding but my cheque from “big oil” is late this month.
May I suggest you ignore Renowden, Perrot and Cedric (Watts up my Butt- that would be your head, Cedric). They are irrelevant fringe screamers.