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	<title>Comments on: The New Zealand temperature vexation</title>
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	<description>Taking the heat out of global warming</description>
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		<title>By: Climate Conversation Group &#187; A swelling debate &#8212; Chris has questions</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/05/the-new-zealand-temperature-vexation/comment-page-1/#comment-23709</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate Conversation Group &#187; A swelling debate &#8212; Chris has questions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 03:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We question NIWA not just about the reasons for temperature adjustments, but also their correctness. A good example is found at Hokitika, including one of the largest adjustments: -2.0°C prior to 1912. Why is it so large? The data before 1912 looks unusable &#8212; why did they use it? Click for larger version. For further revelations about Hokitika and other adjustments read the NZCSC scientist Rupert Postlethwaite&#8217;s article Well, is the country warming or isn’t it? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] We question NIWA not just about the reasons for temperature adjustments, but also their correctness. A good example is found at Hokitika, including one of the largest adjustments: -2.0°C prior to 1912. Why is it so large? The data before 1912 looks unusable &#8212; why did they use it? Click for larger version. For further revelations about Hokitika and other adjustments read the NZCSC scientist Rupert Postlethwaite&#8217;s article Well, is the country warming or isn’t it? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: KP</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/05/the-new-zealand-temperature-vexation/comment-page-1/#comment-22313</link>
		<dc:creator>KP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 06:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, looking back at NZ from Aussie and what do I see...  people yelliing insults at each other and calling each other names instead of debating the science....  

The pool is too small.

Does anyone have a reasonable explanation as to why NIWA faked these results?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, looking back at NZ from Aussie and what do I see&#8230;  people yelliing insults at each other and calling each other names instead of debating the science&#8230;.  </p>
<p>The pool is too small.</p>
<p>Does anyone have a reasonable explanation as to why NIWA faked these results?</p>
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		<title>By: CEKay</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/05/the-new-zealand-temperature-vexation/comment-page-1/#comment-22241</link>
		<dc:creator>CEKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 03:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are the extreme threats received by Peter Gluckman – or did Ken make that up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are the extreme threats received by Peter Gluckman – or did Ken make that up?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/05/the-new-zealand-temperature-vexation/comment-page-1/#comment-22235</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 17:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the comment I deleted, you said nothing of the kind.

And so - about NIWA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the comment I deleted, you said nothing of the kind.</p>
<p>And so &#8211; about NIWA?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/05/the-new-zealand-temperature-vexation/comment-page-1/#comment-22228</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Richard - I should not have broken my rule - should I? It&#039;s just this &quot;anonymous scientists&quot; is so hypocritical.

But, no, after you deleted my comment about your associations with Rodney Hide, The ACT Party and the NZ Centre for Polirtical research (Extreme right wing &quot;think Tank&quot; with international links exposed by Nicky Hager) I did say I had a rule of no further commenting on blogs censoring comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Richard &#8211; I should not have broken my rule &#8211; should I? It&#8217;s just this &#8220;anonymous scientists&#8221; is so hypocritical.</p>
<p>But, no, after you deleted my comment about your associations with Rodney Hide, The ACT Party and the NZ Centre for Polirtical research (Extreme right wing &#8220;think Tank&#8221; with international links exposed by Nicky Hager) I did say I had a rule of no further commenting on blogs censoring comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/05/the-new-zealand-temperature-vexation/comment-page-1/#comment-22227</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 05:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Richard - they are ashamed of what they have written. Otherwise it would go proudly on their CV.

First time I have seen scientists disowning their work like this.

Broken windows, jobs, etc. Pull the other one.

At least Doug Edmeades case is obvious - he uses it to appeal to his clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Richard &#8211; they are ashamed of what they have written. Otherwise it would go proudly on their CV.</p>
<p>First time I have seen scientists disowning their work like this.</p>
<p>Broken windows, jobs, etc. Pull the other one.</p>
<p>At least Doug Edmeades case is obvious &#8211; he uses it to appeal to his clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/05/the-new-zealand-temperature-vexation/comment-page-1/#comment-22193</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 04:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ken.

The extremist nonsense you mention is deplorable, to be sure. Yet some scientists do use nom-de-plumes, like Tamino. It doesn&#039;t matter, I treat what they say as commentary and examine what they say for any truth it might contain. If they wanted to publish in a journal, then of course they would be identified and we wouldn&#039;t know their other identity, would we?

Some of the Coalition scientists are young men, with jobs in commerce and industry that would be unnecessarily disturbed by association with the volatile and emotive realm of the climate change scam. I respect their desire to take a back seat. It doesn&#039;t worry me, I&#039;m keen to spread the true facts and I have no reputation to damage by being in the front row.

It would be very nice if you could find something else to write about now. Such as the question I asked you about NIWA and their shenanigans. I mean, have you looked in Salinger&#039;s thesis for the &quot;methods&quot; and the &quot;SOA&quot; NIWA claimed were there?

But anyway, good to see you back here.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ken.</p>
<p>The extremist nonsense you mention is deplorable, to be sure. Yet some scientists do use nom-de-plumes, like Tamino. It doesn&#8217;t matter, I treat what they say as commentary and examine what they say for any truth it might contain. If they wanted to publish in a journal, then of course they would be identified and we wouldn&#8217;t know their other identity, would we?</p>
<p>Some of the Coalition scientists are young men, with jobs in commerce and industry that would be unnecessarily disturbed by association with the volatile and emotive realm of the climate change scam. I respect their desire to take a back seat. It doesn&#8217;t worry me, I&#8217;m keen to spread the true facts and I have no reputation to damage by being in the front row.</p>
<p>It would be very nice if you could find something else to write about now. Such as the question I asked you about NIWA and their shenanigans. I mean, have you looked in Salinger&#8217;s thesis for the &#8220;methods&#8221; and the &#8220;SOA&#8221; NIWA claimed were there?</p>
<p>But anyway, good to see you back here.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/05/the-new-zealand-temperature-vexation/comment-page-1/#comment-22190</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 03:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might I suggest Richard, in the present climate the extremism is coming from deniers - at least overseas. Death threats, etc. Calls for hanging in the public square (aimed at Mann).

Even in NZ our Chief Scientific Advisor to the PM has got extreme threats.

Yet I don&#039;t see any climate scientist hiding behind false names.

(If your anonymous &quot;science team&quot; is so frightened of bricks how come they allow you to be used as the fall guy. You make a foll of yourself with your lack of scientific knowledge but I am sure on-one is throwing bricks through your window).

No - its a clear indication that Rupert (if s/he exists) does not have the confidence in his/her words to put his/her name to it.

Tell me any other scientists who has or is doing such things? In the scientific community this would indicate a complete lack of integrity. No one would bother reader such rubbish.

Ties in with you refusal to make your data or methodology available (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://openparachute.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/emails.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;emails&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might I suggest Richard, in the present climate the extremism is coming from deniers &#8211; at least overseas. Death threats, etc. Calls for hanging in the public square (aimed at Mann).</p>
<p>Even in NZ our Chief Scientific Advisor to the PM has got extreme threats.</p>
<p>Yet I don&#8217;t see any climate scientist hiding behind false names.</p>
<p>(If your anonymous &#8220;science team&#8221; is so frightened of bricks how come they allow you to be used as the fall guy. You make a foll of yourself with your lack of scientific knowledge but I am sure on-one is throwing bricks through your window).</p>
<p>No &#8211; its a clear indication that Rupert (if s/he exists) does not have the confidence in his/her words to put his/her name to it.</p>
<p>Tell me any other scientists who has or is doing such things? In the scientific community this would indicate a complete lack of integrity. No one would bother reader such rubbish.</p>
<p>Ties in with you refusal to make your data or methodology available (see <a href="http://openparachute.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/emails.pdf" rel="nofollow">emails</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/05/the-new-zealand-temperature-vexation/comment-page-1/#comment-22183</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 00:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike pointed out that Tamino is not criticised for using a pseudonym. If it&#039;s all right for her, why not Rupert?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike pointed out that Tamino is not criticised for using a pseudonym. If it&#8217;s all right for her, why not Rupert?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/05/the-new-zealand-temperature-vexation/comment-page-1/#comment-22180</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 23:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The facts are that Richard is hiding behind a fictional name. This means article is discredited before it starts. 

I have never before come across &quot;scientists&quot; who refuse to take responsibility for their work.

That indicates a complete lack of integrity.

&lt;b&gt;If the author has any confidence in this analysis – why remain anonymous????&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The facts are that Richard is hiding behind a fictional name. This means article is discredited before it starts. </p>
<p>I have never before come across &#8220;scientists&#8221; who refuse to take responsibility for their work.</p>
<p>That indicates a complete lack of integrity.</p>
<p><b>If the author has any confidence in this analysis – why remain anonymous????</b></p>
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