Comments on: NZ ETS missing its target

By: Andy

Andy — Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:06:14 +0000

Cross-posted to WUWT:

News from the Land of Stupid – New Zealand. Our all sectors all gasses ETS included landfill waste:

From Radio NZ

Local Government New Zealand says landfill costs could rise by more than a third under the Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS), increasing the risk of illegal dumping.

The Ministry of the Environment is receiving submissions on draft regulations for landfills under the ETS.

Local Government New Zealand (LGNZ) says people could face steep price increases when landfills are required to offset their methane emissions.

LGNZ president Lawrence Yule says estimates for the Napier-Hastings landfill show the requirement would probably increase the cost of dumping waste from $68 per tonne to about $93.

He says that estimate is low because the dump already has methane collection systems, but landfills without them could face even bigger price rises.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/stories/2010/07/11/12480fbe16f8

By: G.S. Williams

G.S. Williams — Sun, 04 Jul 2010 06:26:49 +0000

Hi, All,

It seems to me that the “Emissions Trading Scheme” would be better described as the, “Emissions Taxing Scam”. Wouldn’t it?

By: Andy

Andy — Thu, 01 Jul 2010 06:33:33 +0000

We are famous on WUWT

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/06/30/new-zealand-begins-emissions-trading-scheme-meanwhile-the-gorepachauri-chicago-climate-exchange-is-flatlining/#more-21248

The months of flatlining at the Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX) should be a hint to the rest of the world that carbon trading is dead. Time to take it off life support.

By: Andy

Andy — Mon, 28 Jun 2010 03:00:09 +0000

The Amazongate story seems to be heating up a bit.
Despite the Sunday Times “apology”, there appears to be no peer reviewed research that supports the 40% reduction claim by the WWF.
The story is taken up at EURef here

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/06/where-is-evidence.html

and Bishop Hill

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2010/6/27/more-amazonian-knockabout.html

Given that WWF look to gain up to $60billion in carbon credits from the REDD deal, this story might drag on a bit longer.

By: Andy

Andy — Sun, 27 Jun 2010 02:30:57 +0000

From WUWT:

What Australian Media is saying about Rudd, Gillard, and ETS – which looks dead for now

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/06/26/what-australian-media-is-saying-about-rudd-gillard-and-ets-which-looks-dead-for-now/

By: Andy

Andy — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 06:48:42 +0000

Article on ETS in NBR:

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/nz-leads-world-with-its-ets-or-does-it-125135

Note that the comments are almost all entirely negative.

By: Lisa G in NZ

Lisa G in NZ — Thu, 24 Jun 2010 02:01:31 +0000

good article…

now can we get the NZ public more aware of this? … or will there be a ‘coup’ and kicking out of John Key when the NZ public starts paying 5% more for EVERYTHING in a month or two….

what, no ‘coup’ could happen? Perhaps talk to Kevin Rudd about that!!!!

By: Bulaman

Bulaman — Thu, 24 Jun 2010 00:54:48 +0000

ETS is SMP’s for trees. The effect is monstrous for forestry. A recent analysis done by an industry manager on one of his forests increased the standing value (using NZIF Valuation methods) from $20,000 to over $400,000 solely due to the cashflow provided by selling carbon. This means pretty much any pastoral land use can be bettered by forestry.
Unfortunately the forest planted after 1990 will be locked up due to potential liabilities so there will be no harvest available to industry. All the potential real jobs as well as those existing ones in the processing industry go down the drain. Last time I looked this was in the 30,000 ball park.
So end result Forest after 1990 planted and left
Forest prior to 1990 harvested and replanted with logs sent to China and timber products imported from overseas to meet our needs.

By: Andy

Andy — Wed, 23 Jun 2010 09:26:55 +0000

I feel vindicated in that I have come to similar conclusions by examining the numbers.
Most arguments for the ETS seem to be from an emotional viewpoint.

However, I still feel depressed that we are pressing ahead with this pointless waste of money.

I wonder if John Key and Nick Smith will have a “McChrystal moment”?

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/06/quote-too-far.html

The analogies with the unwinnable war in Afghanistan seem more apt than Nick Smith’s Gallipoli quote.