Comments on: Hunter’s extraordinary peroration

By: Climate Conversation Group » An impressive level of scintillating repartee

Climate Conversation Group » An impressive level of scintillating repartee — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 04:30:34 +0000

[...] know little about Keith Hunter, although he was the subject of comment here after an extraordinary peroration when we decided to take NIWA to court. He is making a name for [...]

By: Richard Treadgold

Richard Treadgold — Thu, 19 Aug 2010 05:56:17 +0000

Two sets of interesting information today, Richard. Thank you.

By: Richard C

Richard C — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:12:28 +0000

“There’s a lot riding on this case. If they lose the temperature series, the models are toast’

More toast here: http://joannenova.com.au/2010/08/the-models-are-wrong-but-only-by-400/

and here: http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/execute.csh?amsutemps+010.

By: Andy

Andy — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:07:34 +0000

The Effect of Local Circulation Variability on the Detection and Attribution of New Zealand Temperature Trends
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2009JCLI2715.1

A representative temperature record for New Zealand based on station data from 1853 onward is used in conjunction with four coupled climate models to investigate the causes of recent warming over this small midlatitude country. The observed variability over interannual and decadal time scales is simulated well by the models

Recent 50-yr trends in the residual temperature record cannot be explained by natural climate variations, but they are consistent with the combined climate response to anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions, ozone depletion, and sulfate aerosols, demonstrating a significant human influence on New Zealand warming.

There’s a lot riding on this case. If they lose the temperature series, the models are toast.

By: Richard C

Richard C — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:05:00 +0000

To add to Keith Hunter’s discomfort, a Solicitor is challenging Climate Scientists on the accepted thermodynamic process of ocean evaporation.

Surely this threat is more menacing than the Nazis, Soviets and NZCSC and another “attack on integrity [sic] of the science system.” But a Solicitor? Encroaching on the sole preserve of Climate Scientists. What next?

See “Greenhouse Gases Can Cause Cooling!” by Stephen Wilde: LLB (Hons.), Solicitor, Fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society, here: http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=4245

By: Richard C

Richard C — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 07:51:35 +0000

“all it takes for scientific untruths to survive is for honest men and women to ignore them.”

Some woolly and twisted logic from Keith Hunter but let’s run with a restatement:

All it takes for scientific truths to die is for dishonest men and women to ignore them.

Two examples of what must rank among the worst cases of political ideology trumping science (and meekly acquiesced by the expediency of the NZ Govt) is the dismissal of the following presentations to the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).

The first is Dr Ferenc Miskolczi’s letter to the EPA in which he demonstrates that: “the origin of the observed global warming (positive global average surface temperature trend) in the last few decades can not be caused by the observed increase of the atmospheric CO2 concentration.”

The letter can be viewed here (bottom of page): http://kirkmyers.wordpress.com/2010/07/17/miskolczi-destroys-greenhouse-theory/#comment-18

The second is Dr Roy Clark’s submission to the EPA in which he supports “A Null Hypothesis For CO2″

The submission can be viewed here: http://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/EPA_Submission_RClark.pdf

Would Keith Hunter, I wonder, endorse the above restatement of his maxim after careful study of both examples?