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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/08/maze-of-mystery-maths-niwa-facing-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-24074</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 02:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, if you don&#039;t like &quot;ignoring the issue, introducing red herrings, resorting to puerile insults and ad hominems&quot; - then why come to this site. It&#039;s well known for such things.And why drool over Rodney - hardly a reliable source of anything!

If you want to get information on climate science go to the climate scientists - not to those who slander them. Don&#039;t forget their report &quot;Are you getting warmer?&quot; yet has been thoroughly discredited.

Here&#039;s a start &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/publications_and_data.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IPCC Publications and Data&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, if you don&#8217;t like &#8220;ignoring the issue, introducing red herrings, resorting to puerile insults and ad hominems&#8221; &#8211; then why come to this site. It&#8217;s well known for such things.And why drool over Rodney &#8211; hardly a reliable source of anything!</p>
<p>If you want to get information on climate science go to the climate scientists &#8211; not to those who slander them. Don&#8217;t forget their report &#8220;Are you getting warmer?&#8221; yet has been thoroughly discredited.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a start <a href="http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/publications_and_data.htm" rel="nofollow">IPCC Publications and Data</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/08/maze-of-mystery-maths-niwa-facing-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-23936</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 03:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, it is just that sort of behaviour (ignoring the issue, introducing red herrings, resorting to puerile insults and ad hominems), which is alienating those of us looking for facts, evidence and reasoned argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, it is just that sort of behaviour (ignoring the issue, introducing red herrings, resorting to puerile insults and ad hominems), which is alienating those of us looking for facts, evidence and reasoned argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Treadgold</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/08/maze-of-mystery-maths-niwa-facing-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-23930</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Treadgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 02:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken,

You&#039;ve moved away from the topic into ad hominem remarks, so I should remove this comment; but I&#039;ll leave it here to show everyone the drivel you&#039;re prepared to send.

You&#039;re quite a disappointment. It would be nice to hear some answers from you to the questions I posed. Do you have no evidence for CAGW? No references for the &quot;slander and lies&quot; from the Coalition? Your talk is devoid of substance, sir.

Folks,

Our opponents respond with mindless, rattlepated foolishness. They have no arguments left. We&#039;ve done well. Stay strong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve moved away from the topic into ad hominem remarks, so I should remove this comment; but I&#8217;ll leave it here to show everyone the drivel you&#8217;re prepared to send.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re quite a disappointment. It would be nice to hear some answers from you to the questions I posed. Do you have no evidence for CAGW? No references for the &#8220;slander and lies&#8221; from the Coalition? Your talk is devoid of substance, sir.</p>
<p>Folks,</p>
<p>Our opponents respond with mindless, rattlepated foolishness. They have no arguments left. We&#8217;ve done well. Stay strong.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/08/maze-of-mystery-maths-niwa-facing-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-23928</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 01:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quentin, Richard and Clarence.

Come off it you guys. Pull your tongues in and stop quivering.

Rodney faces worse criticism than mine in his normal caucus meetings. 

Rodney is old enough and ugly enough to look after himself. He doesn&#039;y need lap dogs like you to do his dirty work. He is after alkl a politician and no self-respecting politician hands over that job to underlinhgs.

Rodney probably enjoys my comments.

But he is well lknown for being a bully - has he been bullkying you?

I guess your behaviour is just the normal reaction of cowardly sycophants who wish to curry favour with their political bosses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quentin, Richard and Clarence.</p>
<p>Come off it you guys. Pull your tongues in and stop quivering.</p>
<p>Rodney faces worse criticism than mine in his normal caucus meetings. </p>
<p>Rodney is old enough and ugly enough to look after himself. He doesn&#8217;y need lap dogs like you to do his dirty work. He is after alkl a politician and no self-respecting politician hands over that job to underlinhgs.</p>
<p>Rodney probably enjoys my comments.</p>
<p>But he is well lknown for being a bully &#8211; has he been bullkying you?</p>
<p>I guess your behaviour is just the normal reaction of cowardly sycophants who wish to curry favour with their political bosses.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Treadgold</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/08/maze-of-mystery-maths-niwa-facing-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-23894</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Treadgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 04:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken,

You say to Rodney:

&lt;blockquote style=&quot;color:darkgreen;&quot;&gt;You sound just like the normal fanatic climate denier. And are just as bereft as far as evidence is concerned.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He needed no evidence to assert what is commonly known, which is that NIWA have been employing a PR firm, for they openly gave details in the Parliament. But what of the evidence that you are supposed to present for dangerous man-made global warming? Do you have some yet? If you say it is happening you absolutely must provide evidence of it.

&lt;blockquote style=&quot;color:darkgreen;&quot;&gt;Will you have the courage to allow yourself to be cross examined in the high court on statements like these?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He has more courage than you guess, but it&#039;s deeply stupid to suggest &quot;these comments&quot; might reach the High Court. Why would they?

&lt;blockquote style=&quot;color:darkgreen;&quot;&gt;Will you be prepared to go down with the CSC when they are exposed for the slander and lies they have been telling?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Do you have a reference for the slander and lies?

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken,</p>
<p>You say to Rodney:</p>
<blockquote style="color:darkgreen;"><p>You sound just like the normal fanatic climate denier. And are just as bereft as far as evidence is concerned.</p></blockquote>
<p>He needed no evidence to assert what is commonly known, which is that NIWA have been employing a PR firm, for they openly gave details in the Parliament. But what of the evidence that you are supposed to present for dangerous man-made global warming? Do you have some yet? If you say it is happening you absolutely must provide evidence of it.</p>
<blockquote style="color:darkgreen;"><p>Will you have the courage to allow yourself to be cross examined in the high court on statements like these?</p></blockquote>
<p>He has more courage than you guess, but it&#8217;s deeply stupid to suggest &#8220;these comments&#8221; might reach the High Court. Why would they?</p>
<blockquote style="color:darkgreen;"><p>Will you be prepared to go down with the CSC when they are exposed for the slander and lies they have been telling?</p></blockquote>
<p>Do you have a reference for the slander and lies?</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Quentin F</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/08/maze-of-mystery-maths-niwa-facing-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-23816</link>
		<dc:creator>Quentin F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 01:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately that report from the Inter-academy council, although said that there are problems, will just give the UN an excuse to &quot;shift out&quot; the top wackos (Pachauri and all his echelons) and replace them with other &#039;alarmist wackos&#039; and carry on the same old crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately that report from the Inter-academy council, although said that there are problems, will just give the UN an excuse to &#8220;shift out&#8221; the top wackos (Pachauri and all his echelons) and replace them with other &#8216;alarmist wackos&#8217; and carry on the same old crap.</p>
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		<title>By: (not so) Silent</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/08/maze-of-mystery-maths-niwa-facing-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-23805</link>
		<dc:creator>(not so) Silent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rising sea levels- wrong
Diminishing greenland ice- wrong
Diminishing arctic ice-wrong
Diminishing antarctic ice- wrong
UAH sats are fine ( thank you Roy Spencer and John Christy)
CO2 Mauna Loa is fine
Ocean Temps are cooling (PDO )
I could go on. You really need to try to keep up Chris. Try reading other blogs apart from Hot Topic and Real Climate.
And no conspiracy just too much &quot;group think&quot;. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/world/31nations.html?_r=3&amp;hp
Nice report from The Interacademy Council. Looks like head will roll at the IPCC


&quot;Total rot, Chris. Where is the link between your alarmist list and anthropogenic Co2?&quot;

Exactly. This is the nub of the issue. Santer el al has been disproved. No more link between CO2 and hot spots. Sure, we are warming (by how much now?) but it isnt CO2 causing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rising sea levels- wrong<br />
Diminishing greenland ice- wrong<br />
Diminishing arctic ice-wrong<br />
Diminishing antarctic ice- wrong<br />
UAH sats are fine ( thank you Roy Spencer and John Christy)<br />
CO2 Mauna Loa is fine<br />
Ocean Temps are cooling (PDO )<br />
I could go on. You really need to try to keep up Chris. Try reading other blogs apart from Hot Topic and Real Climate.<br />
And no conspiracy just too much &#8220;group think&#8221;. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/world/31nations.html?_r=3&#038;hp" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/world/31nations.html?_r=3&#038;hp</a><br />
Nice report from The Interacademy Council. Looks like head will roll at the IPCC</p>
<p>&#8220;Total rot, Chris. Where is the link between your alarmist list and anthropogenic Co2?&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly. This is the nub of the issue. Santer el al has been disproved. No more link between CO2 and hot spots. Sure, we are warming (by how much now?) but it isnt CO2 causing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Jowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/08/maze-of-mystery-maths-niwa-facing-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-23801</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Jowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There are many highly measurable things in the list above that strongly suggest (notice i didn’t stay ‘prove’) made made global warming.&quot;
Total rot, Chris.  Where is the link between your alarmist list and anthropogenic Co2?  What is the theoretical effect on global temperature of a doubling of Co2? Why do the Vostok ice cores display Co2 levels rising as a result of temperature rise, not as a cause? http://www.xomba.com/ice_core_record_shows_co2_rise_happens_after_warming_air_part_i</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There are many highly measurable things in the list above that strongly suggest (notice i didn’t stay ‘prove’) made made global warming.&#8221;<br />
Total rot, Chris.  Where is the link between your alarmist list and anthropogenic Co2?  What is the theoretical effect on global temperature of a doubling of Co2? Why do the Vostok ice cores display Co2 levels rising as a result of temperature rise, not as a cause? <a href="http://www.xomba.com/ice_core_record_shows_co2_rise_happens_after_warming_air_part_i" rel="nofollow">http://www.xomba.com/ice_core_record_shows_co2_rise_happens_after_warming_air_part_i</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/08/maze-of-mystery-maths-niwa-facing-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-23780</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everything is fiddled.  All the mainstream climatologists of the world are idiots, making things up left right and centre.    They don&#039;t care that they are wasting all their training and lives on making up data because they are all totally corrupt at heart.   The governments of the world listen to them because they are corrupt too - not because they are convinced the science is actually right.  

The ocean temperatures around the world are also part of the fiddling.  The rising sea levels and diminishing greenland, arctic and antarctic ice are also due to fiddling.  The ph levels in the oceans increasing by 20% are due to fiddling.  Satellite surface temperatures are also fiddled.  CO2 levels are fiddled.   Globally, record daily maximums occuring twice as often as record daily minimums is only really due to fiddling.   Equatorial glaciation disappearing is a figment of our imaginations.........

So to apply a remark to this ridiculous statement
&quot;You cant prove that CO2 is making the so called hot spots. The link is gone&quot;

There are many highly measurable things in the list above that strongly suggest (notice i didn&#039;t stay &#039;prove&#039;) made made global warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything is fiddled.  All the mainstream climatologists of the world are idiots, making things up left right and centre.    They don&#8217;t care that they are wasting all their training and lives on making up data because they are all totally corrupt at heart.   The governments of the world listen to them because they are corrupt too &#8211; not because they are convinced the science is actually right.  </p>
<p>The ocean temperatures around the world are also part of the fiddling.  The rising sea levels and diminishing greenland, arctic and antarctic ice are also due to fiddling.  The ph levels in the oceans increasing by 20% are due to fiddling.  Satellite surface temperatures are also fiddled.  CO2 levels are fiddled.   Globally, record daily maximums occuring twice as often as record daily minimums is only really due to fiddling.   Equatorial glaciation disappearing is a figment of our imaginations&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>So to apply a remark to this ridiculous statement<br />
&#8220;You cant prove that CO2 is making the so called hot spots. The link is gone&#8221;</p>
<p>There are many highly measurable things in the list above that strongly suggest (notice i didn&#8217;t stay &#8216;prove&#8217;) made made global warming.</p>
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		<title>By: Quentin F</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/08/maze-of-mystery-maths-niwa-facing-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-23762</link>
		<dc:creator>Quentin F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 02:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It now looks like all surface temperatures are &#039;fiddled&#039; with.
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/policy_driven_deception.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It now looks like all surface temperatures are &#8216;fiddled&#8217; with.<br />
<a href="http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/policy_driven_deception.html" rel="nofollow">http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/policy_driven_deception.html</a></p>
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