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	<description>Taking the heat out of global warming</description>
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		<title>By: Richard C</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/08/niwa-prefers-spin-to-straight-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-23192</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 06:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of &quot;spin&quot;, check out this gem

NOAA Makes it White Hot in Wisconsin - excerpt

&quot;But our intrepid anonymous whistleblower wasn’t done yet. He pointed out that Egg Harbor, Wisconsin really got cooking this July 4th around 9:59AM, according to NOAA and Coast Watch. It was there, at the bottom left row of the temperature data points, that the records reveal on that day a phenomenally furnace-like 600 degrees Fahrenheit.&quot;

http://johnosullivan.livejournal.com/21729.html

Looks like NIWA will have to up its game</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of &#8220;spin&#8221;, check out this gem</p>
<p>NOAA Makes it White Hot in Wisconsin &#8211; excerpt</p>
<p>&#8220;But our intrepid anonymous whistleblower wasn’t done yet. He pointed out that Egg Harbor, Wisconsin really got cooking this July 4th around 9:59AM, according to NOAA and Coast Watch. It was there, at the bottom left row of the temperature data points, that the records reveal on that day a phenomenally furnace-like 600 degrees Fahrenheit.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://johnosullivan.livejournal.com/21729.html" rel="nofollow">http://johnosullivan.livejournal.com/21729.html</a></p>
<p>Looks like NIWA will have to up its game</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Treadgold</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/08/niwa-prefers-spin-to-straight-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-23150</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Treadgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 07:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arresting.

One of the most convincing descriptions of life includes the characterisation of what we like to call &quot;waking&quot; as a dream. But the blurring of reality and imagination that Christopher Booker so expertly paints for us goes beyond that into foolishness or perhaps insanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arresting.</p>
<p>One of the most convincing descriptions of life includes the characterisation of what we like to call &#8220;waking&#8221; as a dream. But the blurring of reality and imagination that Christopher Booker so expertly paints for us goes beyond that into foolishness or perhaps insanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/08/niwa-prefers-spin-to-straight-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-23149</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 07:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least we have semi-democracy.

Britain has &quot;virtual democracy&quot;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7932343/We-are-given-virtual-democracy-in-exchange-for-real-power.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least we have semi-democracy.</p>
<p>Britain has &#8220;virtual democracy&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7932343/We-are-given-virtual-democracy-in-exchange-for-real-power.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7932343/We-are-given-virtual-democracy-in-exchange-for-real-power.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Treadgold</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/08/niwa-prefers-spin-to-straight-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-23146</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Treadgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 06:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree; it&#039;s quite sickening. I notice, too, that it&#039;s easy for outsiders to tell the story this way, but not for the insiders. At almost every step they have entirely different evaluations and characterisations of what is happening and why.

In the end, in a semi-democracy, the majority view will prevail. It&#039;s hard to know exactly where that sits right now, but I think it&#039;s closer than the warmists imagine.

So we keep on marching; we tell the story the way we see it and report the facts as we know them. We battle for the hearts and minds! (Just pretend it&#039;s Afghanistan.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree; it&#8217;s quite sickening. I notice, too, that it&#8217;s easy for outsiders to tell the story this way, but not for the insiders. At almost every step they have entirely different evaluations and characterisations of what is happening and why.</p>
<p>In the end, in a semi-democracy, the majority view will prevail. It&#8217;s hard to know exactly where that sits right now, but I think it&#8217;s closer than the warmists imagine.</p>
<p>So we keep on marching; we tell the story the way we see it and report the facts as we know them. We battle for the hearts and minds! (Just pretend it&#8217;s Afghanistan.)</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Treadgold</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/08/niwa-prefers-spin-to-straight-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-23145</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Treadgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 05:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Andy. This news inspired my following post, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/08/naive-fanfare-silenced-by-foot-in-mouth-niwa/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Naïve fanfare silenced by foot-in-mouth NIWA&lt;/a&gt;.
Keep &#039;em coming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Andy. This news inspired my following post, <a href="http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/08/naive-fanfare-silenced-by-foot-in-mouth-niwa/" rel="nofollow">Naïve fanfare silenced by foot-in-mouth NIWA</a>.<br />
Keep &#8216;em coming!</p>
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		<title>By: David White</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/08/niwa-prefers-spin-to-straight-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-23144</link>
		<dc:creator>David White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 05:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;is currently in the process of preparing a long term communications strategy to rebuild the trust and confidence in NIWA’s science that has been partially eroded by this concerted attack on its credibility. &lt;/i&gt;
Eh? 

The trust and confidence in NIWA&#039;s science has been eroded by NIWA&#039;s failure to welcome and answer scrutiny of its scientific data analysis methodology. 

This means my taxpayer dollars are being spent on justifying what appears to be bogus science that supports flimsy legislation (ETS) that robs me of even more dollars via yet another tax!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>is currently in the process of preparing a long term communications strategy to rebuild the trust and confidence in NIWA’s science that has been partially eroded by this concerted attack on its credibility. </i><br />
Eh? </p>
<p>The trust and confidence in NIWA&#8217;s science has been eroded by NIWA&#8217;s failure to welcome and answer scrutiny of its scientific data analysis methodology. </p>
<p>This means my taxpayer dollars are being spent on justifying what appears to be bogus science that supports flimsy legislation (ETS) that robs me of even more dollars via yet another tax!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/08/niwa-prefers-spin-to-straight-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-23133</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 06:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The network PR page has been taken down it seems.
The Google cache version is here:


http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:PqXQm50_7hMJ:www.networkpr.co.nz/case-studies/niwa/+network+pr+niwa&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=nz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The network PR page has been taken down it seems.<br />
The Google cache version is here:</p>
<p><a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:PqXQm50_7hMJ:www.networkpr.co.nz/case-studies/niwa/+network+pr+niwa&#038;cd=1&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;gl=nz" rel="nofollow">http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:PqXQm50_7hMJ:www.networkpr.co.nz/case-studies/niwa/+network+pr+niwa&#038;cd=1&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;gl=nz</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/08/niwa-prefers-spin-to-straight-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-23132</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 00:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do they have such little confidence in their science that they have to get a spin doctor to make sure they get their feeble stories across in the best light possible?

The fact is that they are in an indefensible position. The chart they put up showing past temperatures in New Zealand has been produced by Jim Salinger working on his own. Not long before, a respected and expert member of their staff said that the New Zealand temperature records were not good enough to establish whether New Zealand had been warming or cooling. Jim came up with the new chart showing significant warming but he and NIWA have been totally unable to provide any information on how he got from the original data showiing no warming to the “adjusted” data. This means they have no peer review, no quality control and no policy for archiving.

And now we are paying for them to employ spin doctors to make the best of the mess they are in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do they have such little confidence in their science that they have to get a spin doctor to make sure they get their feeble stories across in the best light possible?</p>
<p>The fact is that they are in an indefensible position. The chart they put up showing past temperatures in New Zealand has been produced by Jim Salinger working on his own. Not long before, a respected and expert member of their staff said that the New Zealand temperature records were not good enough to establish whether New Zealand had been warming or cooling. Jim came up with the new chart showing significant warming but he and NIWA have been totally unable to provide any information on how he got from the original data showiing no warming to the “adjusted” data. This means they have no peer review, no quality control and no policy for archiving.</p>
<p>And now we are paying for them to employ spin doctors to make the best of the mess they are in!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/08/niwa-prefers-spin-to-straight-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-23126</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 09:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This could start to get interesting as the snout/trough interface gets fully exposed,

&lt;em&gt;While ASB gave the fund a New Zealand name - the Global Sustainability Fund - we played up the association with Al Gore, to heighten its newsworthiness and communicate the sustainability theme.&lt;/em&gt;

http://www.networkpr.co.nz/case-studies/asb/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This could start to get interesting as the snout/trough interface gets fully exposed,</p>
<p><em>While ASB gave the fund a New Zealand name &#8211; the Global Sustainability Fund &#8211; we played up the association with Al Gore, to heighten its newsworthiness and communicate the sustainability theme.</em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.networkpr.co.nz/case-studies/asb/" rel="nofollow">http://www.networkpr.co.nz/case-studies/asb/</a></p>
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