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		<title>By: 2010 Tied for Warmest Year on Record - Page 9 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/10/whats-left-of-the-niwa-case/comment-page-1/#comment-37644</link>
		<dc:creator>2010 Tied for Warmest Year on Record - Page 9 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: No question that co2 is a postive forcing - Page 10 - US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/10/whats-left-of-the-niwa-case/comment-page-1/#comment-36141</link>
		<dc:creator>No question that co2 is a postive forcing - Page 10 - US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Around The Nets&#8230; &#171; The Catastrophist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Around The Nets&#8230; &#171; The Catastrophist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 07:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Meeting&#8221; [Backstage, 7-Oct] MTV/Viacom production. • Weird Architecture of Antarctica. • &#8216;Kiwigate&#8217; &#8211; NIWA (NZ Govt) disavows manipulated temperature data. • WTF? BBC reports allegations of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Doug Proctor</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/10/whats-left-of-the-niwa-case/comment-page-1/#comment-26182</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Proctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great work, Mr. Treadgold!

It will be awkward for BOM if the revisions to the NZ temp record are not those that the BOM uses for the Australian record.  Which it would be unlikely, as new work and attitudes determine which options one takes, and there is always more than one option to take in &quot;adjustments&quot;.  The Australian blog-auditors will, no doubt, devour the NZ results and then see what happens to the previous BOM data in a retrofit.

As you state, New Zealand is a small part of the global record, but as the correction process is interative and has progressed with time, going back to the beginning could have an unexpected, large impact.  The land records are particularly important to Hansen&#039;s historical view, although like ripples on a pond they lose impact as you move away.  Still, with BOM involved, should first NZ and then Australia become involved, a disturbance in the force, so to speak, might require the Europeans to demand changes to their parts of the records being used by Hansen.  To-date there have been a number of complaints by Russians and others of misleading use of their data, but not enough to touch NASA and its pronouncements.  But if the NZ experience leads to others, NASA may be forced to at least say that they are reviewing the data.  For something that is supposed to be &quot;settled&quot;, an admission that a second opinion may have merit could be a mortal wound (outside the Hansen-Gore egosphere, of course).

The fact that Salinger did not have anything to do with the BOM records is not germane.  The records have been questioned legitimately and found to be wanting.   ALL the data can be questioned, as none of it is used in its original state, but only after substantial adjustments have been made.  The adjustments can be seen to have a warming bias through time, through population growth (UHIE), and through changes in rural/urban/geographic proportions.  To have to publiclly reveal that an entire country&#039;s temperature record has been seriously in error ON PURPOSE will create a great deal of discomfort for the CAGW crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great work, Mr. Treadgold!</p>
<p>It will be awkward for BOM if the revisions to the NZ temp record are not those that the BOM uses for the Australian record.  Which it would be unlikely, as new work and attitudes determine which options one takes, and there is always more than one option to take in &#8220;adjustments&#8221;.  The Australian blog-auditors will, no doubt, devour the NZ results and then see what happens to the previous BOM data in a retrofit.</p>
<p>As you state, New Zealand is a small part of the global record, but as the correction process is interative and has progressed with time, going back to the beginning could have an unexpected, large impact.  The land records are particularly important to Hansen&#8217;s historical view, although like ripples on a pond they lose impact as you move away.  Still, with BOM involved, should first NZ and then Australia become involved, a disturbance in the force, so to speak, might require the Europeans to demand changes to their parts of the records being used by Hansen.  To-date there have been a number of complaints by Russians and others of misleading use of their data, but not enough to touch NASA and its pronouncements.  But if the NZ experience leads to others, NASA may be forced to at least say that they are reviewing the data.  For something that is supposed to be &#8220;settled&#8221;, an admission that a second opinion may have merit could be a mortal wound (outside the Hansen-Gore egosphere, of course).</p>
<p>The fact that Salinger did not have anything to do with the BOM records is not germane.  The records have been questioned legitimately and found to be wanting.   ALL the data can be questioned, as none of it is used in its original state, but only after substantial adjustments have been made.  The adjustments can be seen to have a warming bias through time, through population growth (UHIE), and through changes in rural/urban/geographic proportions.  To have to publiclly reveal that an entire country&#8217;s temperature record has been seriously in error ON PURPOSE will create a great deal of discomfort for the CAGW crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/10/whats-left-of-the-niwa-case/comment-page-1/#comment-25751</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry - finger fault</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8211; finger fault</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/10/whats-left-of-the-niwa-case/comment-page-1/#comment-25750</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I detect some credibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I detect some credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/10/whats-left-of-the-niwa-case/comment-page-1/#comment-25749</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So he has some Cred then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So he has some Cred then?</p>
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		<title>By: val majkus</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/10/whats-left-of-the-niwa-case/comment-page-1/#comment-25745</link>
		<dc:creator>val majkus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 21:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the link above is to an article by Tom Quirk; here&#039;s his bio (from the ASSC website) 
Dr Tom Quirk                
M.Sc., D.Phil., M.A. (Oxon), SMP (Harv.).

Tom Quirk is a principal of Quirk Partners.  He has interests in venture capital, fund raising and investment management as well as business advisory work.
Tom holds an SMP degree from the Harvard Business School, Master of Science from the University of Melbourne and Master of Arts and Doctor of Philosophy from the University of Oxford.  He spent 15 years in the U.K. and USA as an experimental research physicist, a University Lecturer and Fellow of three Oxford Colleges.  During this time he worked in the United States with colleagues at Harvard and Chicago and in Europe at Geneva and Hamburg.

Dr Quirk is one of the members of the scientific advisory panel to the ACSC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the link above is to an article by Tom Quirk; here&#8217;s his bio (from the ASSC website)<br />
Dr Tom Quirk<br />
M.Sc., D.Phil., M.A. (Oxon), SMP (Harv.).</p>
<p>Tom Quirk is a principal of Quirk Partners.  He has interests in venture capital, fund raising and investment management as well as business advisory work.<br />
Tom holds an SMP degree from the Harvard Business School, Master of Science from the University of Melbourne and Master of Arts and Doctor of Philosophy from the University of Oxford.  He spent 15 years in the U.K. and USA as an experimental research physicist, a University Lecturer and Fellow of three Oxford Colleges.  During this time he worked in the United States with colleagues at Harvard and Chicago and in Europe at Geneva and Hamburg.</p>
<p>Dr Quirk is one of the members of the scientific advisory panel to the ACSC</p>
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		<title>By: val majkus</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/10/whats-left-of-the-niwa-case/comment-page-1/#comment-25716</link>
		<dc:creator>val majkus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 10:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall there was a oomment about the Aust BOM auditing NZ records; I repeated Warwick Hughes comment that &#039;would be like Dracula auditing the blood bank&#039; (might have been on Jo Nova&#039;s blog); anyway the latest error by the BOM - In the last two years some 900 mm of rainfall have been removed from the rainfall record of the Murray-Darling Basin. This startling discovery was made by comparing the annual Murray-Darling Basin rainfall reported on the Bureau of Meteorology website in August 2008 and the same report found yesterday. 
SEE http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2010/10/bom-loses-rainfall</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall there was a oomment about the Aust BOM auditing NZ records; I repeated Warwick Hughes comment that &#8216;would be like Dracula auditing the blood bank&#8217; (might have been on Jo Nova&#8217;s blog); anyway the latest error by the BOM &#8211; In the last two years some 900 mm of rainfall have been removed from the rainfall record of the Murray-Darling Basin. This startling discovery was made by comparing the annual Murray-Darling Basin rainfall reported on the Bureau of Meteorology website in August 2008 and the same report found yesterday.<br />
SEE <a href="http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2010/10/bom-loses-rainfall" rel="nofollow">http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2010/10/bom-loses-rainfall</a></p>
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		<title>By: Climate Conversation Group &#187; World of sceptical questions unfolds…</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/10/whats-left-of-the-niwa-case/comment-page-1/#comment-25406</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate Conversation Group &#187; World of sceptical questions unfolds…</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 05:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reader, Huub Bakker, commented yesterday on What’s left of the NIWA case, saying: Where does all this leave the Government legally? Should all the previous conclusions be [...]</description>
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