Comments on: Science’s natural humility

By: Climate Conversation Group » Is Gore’s darling carbon exchange dead or what?

Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:08:21 +0000

[...] days ago Lisa G let us know about the Chicago Carbon Exchange shutting down trading in carbon credits. She linked to a post at [...]

By: Lisa G in NZ

Lisa G in NZ — Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:04:04 +0000

Hey Richard, yep I’m around… last couple months I was reading and following all the USA federal and state elections… and praying Americans would get out to vote.

They DID … and I’m so proud of my peeps! … get your popcorn for 2 years of Issa investigations, American “gridlock” (welcomed), state battles to get their power back and temper tantrums from Dems & TheWon… more fun for 2012 will ensue!

cheers

By: Andy

Andy — Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:01:16 +0000

Carbon trading not dead in Europe though

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-11-09/eu-to-sell-300-million-co2-permits-by-end-12-for-aid.html

By: val majkus

val majkus — Tue, 09 Nov 2010 09:04:02 +0000

John O’Sullivan published on this a couple of days ago; here’s the link
http://www.suite101.com/content/carbon-trade-ends-on-quiet-death-of-chicago-climate-exchange-a305704

By: Richard Treadgold

Richard Treadgold — Tue, 09 Nov 2010 02:17:32 +0000

Thanks Lisa, glad to know you’re still around.

Yes, I heard about this. It’s earth-shaking and needs to be written up for Kiwi readers. It’s unforgivable that our media have ignored it. I mean, we have an Emissions TRADING Scheme ourselves! Ordinary citizens would be concerned to hear that the trading part is dying off, for what does it mean for the costs we’re paying?

By: Lisa G in NZ

Lisa G in NZ — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:47:59 +0000

Hi Richard,
bit OT, wasn’t sure if you’d heard Carbon Trading officially going to be canned. Check out story here, its all rather hush hush in American media (of course)…

http://bigjournalism.com/wthuston/2010/11/08/al-gores-climate-exchange-utterly-fails-media-ignores-it-all/

have a nice day

By: Richard C (NZ)

Richard C (NZ) — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:17:28 +0000

“The remarkable thing about this exchange is that far from weakening my doubts about the IPCC case, it has strengthened them. The letter explains why. Essentially, I have realised that almost the only weapons left in the alarm locker are the retreat of the Arctic sea ice and an event that happened 55m years ago and was probably not caused by CO2 at all. Everything else — the CO2-temperature correlation in the Antarctic ice core, the hockey stick, storm frequency, phenology, etc etc — no longer supports the argument that something unprecedented in magnitude or rate is happening. Remarkable.”

By: Andy

Andy — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:30:46 +0000

On the subject of humility, Matt Ridley’s letter to David Mackay is well worth a read

http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/best-shot

h/t Bishop Hill

By: Ron

Ron — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 22:35:48 +0000

Nice post and good John Kehr link, thanks to you both. It is interesting how it seems to be the engineers with their practical focus on empirical data and experience of feedbacks + modelling who are particularly critical of the “consensus”.
Let’s hope that the establishment IPCC dogma is finally unravelling – the consternation being caused by Judy Curry discussing the uncertainties is fascinating to witness.

By: Richard C (NZ)

Richard C (NZ) — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 10:21:52 +0000

Here’s one who is putting his analysis – “Determining the Correct Climate Sensitivity”
on display for others to comment on (some as long as the post).

http://theinconvenientskeptic.com/2010/10/determining-the-correct-climate-sensitivity/

John Kehr is a Chemical Engineer by schooling and Research and Development Process Engineer by profession.