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		<title>By: Climate Conversation Group &#187; More proof global temps lag SOI</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/12/cooling-forecast-comes-true/comment-page-1/#comment-36125</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate Conversation Group &#187; More proof global temps lag SOI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] December 1 last year, we wrote about Bryan Leyland&#8217;s prediction of significant cooling before the end of the year coming true. You can see from the chart exactly [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] December 1 last year, we wrote about Bryan Leyland&#8217;s prediction of significant cooling before the end of the year coming true. You can see from the chart exactly [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Climate Conversation Group &#187; Call a monkey</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/12/cooling-forecast-comes-true/comment-page-1/#comment-32785</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate Conversation Group &#187; Call a monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 05:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] so simple that “even a monkey can do it”. There’s Marcel, Tweeter, Watts and Copeland, SOI past and present; monkey means, providing the sought-after antidote to the evil spirit of foolishness [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] so simple that “even a monkey can do it”. There’s Marcel, Tweeter, Watts and Copeland, SOI past and present; monkey means, providing the sought-after antidote to the evil spirit of foolishness [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/12/cooling-forecast-comes-true/comment-page-1/#comment-31752</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 08:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might be a problem with the word &quot;drop&quot;

Reminds me of the classic database geeks cartoon

http://xkcd.com/327/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might be a problem with the word &#8220;drop&#8221;</p>
<p>Reminds me of the classic database geeks cartoon</p>
<p><a href="http://xkcd.com/327/" rel="nofollow">http://xkcd.com/327/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/12/cooling-forecast-comes-true/comment-page-1/#comment-31739</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 06:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This might be progress - but still weird
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Nonentity (Mt Maunganui)
09:55AM Thursday, 09 Dec 2010

@Moderation

Correction.
&quot;translates to a global temperature of 1.5 degree Celsius by 2020&quot;

Please stop editing out the word &quot;drop&quot; from this correction.
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Think I will leave it at that - it might be some auto-correct thing in the software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This might be progress &#8211; but still weird<br />
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Nonentity (Mt Maunganui)<br />
09:55AM Thursday, 09 Dec 2010</p>
<p>@Moderation</p>
<p>Correction.<br />
&#8220;translates to a global temperature of 1.5 degree Celsius by 2020&#8243;</p>
<p>Please stop editing out the word &#8220;drop&#8221; from this correction.<br />
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Think I will leave it at that &#8211; it might be some auto-correct thing in the software.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/12/cooling-forecast-comes-true/comment-page-1/#comment-31672</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 19:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weird and disturbing, I&#039;m glad you&#039;ve seen it.

At first I thought I&#039;d made a typo until I realized I&#039;d cut n pasted (plagiarized) from the original text so it had to have been edited.

I&#039;m also documenting the saga in a &quot;Scaremongering&quot; thread at Kiwiblog in the hope that someone is watching.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/12/scare-mongering.html#comment-772153

No-one has commented so far. Flipper frequents that blog (mostly political I think), he comments here sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weird and disturbing, I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;ve seen it.</p>
<p>At first I thought I&#8217;d made a typo until I realized I&#8217;d cut n pasted (plagiarized) from the original text so it had to have been edited.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also documenting the saga in a &#8220;Scaremongering&#8221; thread at Kiwiblog in the hope that someone is watching.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/12/scare-mongering.html#comment-772153" rel="nofollow">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/12/scare-mongering.html#comment-772153</a></p>
<p>No-one has commented so far. Flipper frequents that blog (mostly political I think), he comments here sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: val majkus</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/12/cooling-forecast-comes-true/comment-page-1/#comment-31628</link>
		<dc:creator>val majkus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 10:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weird Richard!  That&#039;s more blatant editing than I&#039;ve ever had!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weird Richard!  That&#8217;s more blatant editing than I&#8217;ve ever had!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/12/cooling-forecast-comes-true/comment-page-1/#comment-31622</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 09:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re NZ Herald Online editing out the word “drop” in my sequence of comments

The first comment editing occurred on this page

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/climate-change/news/article.cfm?c_id=26&amp;objectid=10690687&amp;pnum=3

The second here

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/climate-change/news/article.cfm?c_id=26&amp;objectid=10690687&amp;pnum=4

The third here

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/climate-change/news/article.cfm?c_id=26&amp;objectid=10690687&amp;pnum=6

It remains to be seen if the third correction addressed to @Moderation sees the light of day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re NZ Herald Online editing out the word “drop” in my sequence of comments</p>
<p>The first comment editing occurred on this page</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/climate-change/news/article.cfm?c_id=26&#038;objectid=10690687&#038;pnum=3" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/climate-change/news/article.cfm?c_id=26&#038;objectid=10690687&#038;pnum=3</a></p>
<p>The second here</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/climate-change/news/article.cfm?c_id=26&#038;objectid=10690687&#038;pnum=4" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/climate-change/news/article.cfm?c_id=26&#038;objectid=10690687&#038;pnum=4</a></p>
<p>The third here</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/climate-change/news/article.cfm?c_id=26&#038;objectid=10690687&#038;pnum=6" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/climate-change/news/article.cfm?c_id=26&#038;objectid=10690687&#038;pnum=6</a></p>
<p>It remains to be seen if the third correction addressed to @Moderation sees the light of day.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/12/cooling-forecast-comes-true/comment-page-1/#comment-31612</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 08:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter how many times I submit this correction, someone at NZ Herald Online edits out the word &quot;drop&quot;
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Correction
“translates to a global temperature drop of 1.5 degree Celsius by 2020″
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Am now trying this approach
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@Moderation

Correction
“translates to a global temperature drop of 1.5 degree Celsius by 2020″

Please stop editing out the word &quot;drop&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter how many times I submit this correction, someone at NZ Herald Online edits out the word &#8220;drop&#8221;<br />
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Correction<br />
“translates to a global temperature drop of 1.5 degree Celsius by 2020″<br />
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Am now trying this approach<br />
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@Moderation</p>
<p>Correction<br />
“translates to a global temperature drop of 1.5 degree Celsius by 2020″</p>
<p>Please stop editing out the word &#8220;drop&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/12/cooling-forecast-comes-true/comment-page-1/#comment-30971</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 11:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4. <strong>Cosmic Radiation, Solar Wind, and Global Cloud Coverage</strong></p>
<p><strong>The most convincing argument yet, supporting a strong impact of the suns activity on climate change, is a direct connection between cloud coverage and cosmic rays, discovered by H. Svensmark and E. Friis-Christensen [111] in 1996</strong>. It is shown in Figure 6. <strong>Clouds have a hundred times stronger effect on weather and climate than carbon dioxide in the atmosphere</strong>. Even if the atmospheres CO2 content doubled, its effect would be cancelled out if the cloud cover expanded by 1%, as shown by H. E. Landsberg [53]</p>
<p>Continues&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>From </p>
<p>SOLAR ACTIVITY: A DOMINANT FACTOR IN CLIMATE DYNAMICS</p>
<p>by Dr Theodor Landscheidt</p>
<p><a href="http://www.john-daly.com/solar/solar.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.john-daly.com/solar/solar.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/12/cooling-forecast-comes-true/comment-page-1/#comment-30969</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 10:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The SOI was used by John L. Daly (22 Nov 1998) to make a successful prediction. </strong></p>
<p>Remember the comments in the Climategate emails when John Daly died<br />
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<strong>And now to prediction</strong></p>
<p>  Based on the the assumption that the Southern Oscillation is the primary driver of year-to-year global temperature, with a 6 to 9 month lag time, we can now predict that since the SOI has now gone sharply into La Nia mode in the last 6 months, global temperature will follow (with the predicted time lag) and fall to below the zero line (the long term average of temperature) in the next few months. The latest monthly value for temperature was +0.33C in October 1998, after reaching a peak of +0.72C in April. Since the SOI moved into La Nia mode in June, <strong>we can expect global temperature to fall below the zero line by March 1999</strong>.</p>
<p>John L. Daly (22 Nov 1998)</p>
<p>Update: 20th March 2000</p>
<p><strong>Since writing the above article over 15 months ago, global temperature did indeed fall below the long-term average by March 1999.</strong> Since then, the earth has continued in La Nia mode with consequent below-average temperatures as measured by the satellites. Temperature continues to closely track the SOI with a time lag.</p>
<p>For the latest version of the comparison chart, click here  &#8211; John L. Daly</p>
<p><a href="http://www.john-daly.com/soi-temp.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.john-daly.com/soi-temp.htm</a><br />
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The article preceding the prediction is a good read</p>
<p><strong>El Nio and Global Temperature</strong></p>
<p>Southern Oscillation Index (<strong>S.O.I.</strong>) <strong>effect on temperature</strong>.</p>
<p>[Snip]</p>
<p>  <strong>A more interesting question then arises as to what `causes the cycles in the Southern Oscillation. We know it results from gargantuan changes in ocean currents and in deep water upwelling in the eastern Pacific, but as to what triggers this response is still an unknown. The answer may well lie in long-term solar changes.</strong> The Greenhouse industry readily blames greenhouse gases, but the idea that a few parts per million of CO2 can cause the overturning of trillions of megatonnes of sea water is fanciful to say the least, a reasoning based more on ideology than on science. Those who point to greenhouse gases as the `cause of El Nio fail to describe exactly what mechanism they imagine the gases to be performing to achieve such a feat.</p>
<p>[Snip]</p>
<p>&#8220;solar changes&#8221; in that paragraph is linked to this page</p>
<p><strong>SOLAR ACTIVITY: A DOMINANT FACTOR IN CLIMATE DYNAMICS</strong></p>
<p>by Dr Theodor Landscheidt</p>
<p><a href="http://www.john-daly.com/solar/solar.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.john-daly.com/solar/solar.htm</a></p>
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