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	<description>Taking the heat out of global warming</description>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/12/light-bulb-tests-shame-greenies/comment-page-1/#comment-32328</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 01:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There has been an update here.

German customs has seized the stock of these 40,000 &quot;heatballs&quot; and will destroy all the stock

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/12/heatballs-fail.html

Good to see that EU common sense once again prevails. We can only look forward to the joyous day when the UN rules us all with similar rulings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been an update here.</p>
<p>German customs has seized the stock of these 40,000 &#8220;heatballs&#8221; and will destroy all the stock</p>
<p><a href="http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/12/heatballs-fail.html" rel="nofollow">http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/12/heatballs-fail.html</a></p>
<p>Good to see that EU common sense once again prevails. We can only look forward to the joyous day when the UN rules us all with similar rulings.</p>
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		<title>By: Australis</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/12/light-bulb-tests-shame-greenies/comment-page-1/#comment-31774</link>
		<dc:creator>Australis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 11:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Times have changed!

In 2007, Republican Congressman Fred Upton co-sponsored a bill to make incandescent lightbulbs illegal in USA from 2012. President GW Bush signed it into law later that year.

Now, Upton would like to chair the Energy Committee for the Republican-dominated House. As part of his appeal, he has promised that the repeal of his 2007  lightbulb Act will be the first order of business if he becomes chairman.

(Democrats say repeal won&#039;t get through the Senate)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Times have changed!</p>
<p>In 2007, Republican Congressman Fred Upton co-sponsored a bill to make incandescent lightbulbs illegal in USA from 2012. President GW Bush signed it into law later that year.</p>
<p>Now, Upton would like to chair the Energy Committee for the Republican-dominated House. As part of his appeal, he has promised that the repeal of his 2007  lightbulb Act will be the first order of business if he becomes chairman.</p>
<p>(Democrats say repeal won&#8217;t get through the Senate)</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/12/light-bulb-tests-shame-greenies/comment-page-1/#comment-31559</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Facebook page looks interesting:

http://www.facebook.com/people/Sandy-Gauntlett/1071492354

Interests: 

Politics
Graffiti
Feminism
Gay Rights
Academic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Facebook page looks interesting:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/people/Sandy-Gauntlett/1071492354" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/people/Sandy-Gauntlett/1071492354</a></p>
<p>Interests: </p>
<p>Politics<br />
Graffiti<br />
Feminism<br />
Gay Rights<br />
Academic</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/12/light-bulb-tests-shame-greenies/comment-page-1/#comment-31506</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 11:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a WUWT commenter has supplied the details:

&quot;Anoneumouse says:
December 7, 2010 at 1:06 am
The Kooks name is Sandy Gauntlett he is an environmental activist of Maori descent. He lectures in indigenous resource management at the indigenous university of Te Wananga O Aotearoa in New Zealand. He also chairs the Pacific Indigenous Peoples Environment Coalition and the Pacific Regional Focal Point for the Global Forest Coalition.&quot;

The beehive website mentions that in June this year he was appointed to the Pacific Development and Conservation Trust Board.  Wonder who paid his fare to Cancun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a WUWT commenter has supplied the details:</p>
<p>&#8220;Anoneumouse says:<br />
December 7, 2010 at 1:06 am<br />
The Kooks name is Sandy Gauntlett he is an environmental activist of Maori descent. He lectures in indigenous resource management at the indigenous university of Te Wananga O Aotearoa in New Zealand. He also chairs the Pacific Indigenous Peoples Environment Coalition and the Pacific Regional Focal Point for the Global Forest Coalition.&#8221;</p>
<p>The beehive website mentions that in June this year he was appointed to the Pacific Development and Conservation Trust Board.  Wonder who paid his fare to Cancun.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/12/light-bulb-tests-shame-greenies/comment-page-1/#comment-31502</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 10:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT Anyone know who this NZer is? Monckton&#039;s Kook of the Week in Cancun.  Evidently a delegate with Global Forest Coalition...   How embarrassing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjosKS7FpUc

H/T WUWT http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/06/cfacts-kook-of-the-week-at-cancun</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT Anyone know who this NZer is? Monckton&#8217;s Kook of the Week in Cancun.  Evidently a delegate with Global Forest Coalition&#8230;   How embarrassing.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjosKS7FpUc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjosKS7FpUc</a></p>
<p>H/T WUWT <a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/06/cfacts-kook-of-the-week-at-cancun" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/06/cfacts-kook-of-the-week-at-cancun</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/12/light-bulb-tests-shame-greenies/comment-page-1/#comment-31432</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 21:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not Watergate sorry - it was Pentagon Papers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not Watergate sorry &#8211; it was Pentagon Papers</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/12/light-bulb-tests-shame-greenies/comment-page-1/#comment-31425</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 20:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swiss cut off bank account for WikiLeaks&#039; Assange

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101206/ap_on_re_eu/wikileaks_59

Postfinance spokesman Alex Josty told The Associated Press the account was closed Monday afternoon and there would be &quot;no criminal consequences&quot; for misleading authorities.

&quot;That&#039;s his money, he will get his money back,&quot; Josty said. &quot;We just close the account and that&#039;s it.&quot;

The setback leaves Assange with only a few options for raising money for his secret-spilling site through a Swiss-Icelandic credit card processing center and accounts in Iceland and Germany.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swiss cut off bank account for WikiLeaks&#8217; Assange</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101206/ap_on_re_eu/wikileaks_59" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101206/ap_on_re_eu/wikileaks_59</a></p>
<p>Postfinance spokesman Alex Josty told The Associated Press the account was closed Monday afternoon and there would be &#8220;no criminal consequences&#8221; for misleading authorities.</p>
<p>&#8220;That&#8217;s his money, he will get his money back,&#8221; Josty said. &#8220;We just close the account and that&#8217;s it.&#8221;</p>
<p>The setback leaves Assange with only a few options for raising money for his secret-spilling site through a Swiss-Icelandic credit card processing center and accounts in Iceland and Germany.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/12/light-bulb-tests-shame-greenies/comment-page-1/#comment-31424</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 20:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy O/T

You were right about the NYTs Watergate - Wikileaks - Climategate double standard.

3 monkeys, 2 with unimpaired sensory channels, the 3rd hearing, seeing and speaking no evil.

I see the Swiss have closed Assanges&#039;  bank account - Swiss bank heist ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy O/T</p>
<p>You were right about the NYTs Watergate &#8211; Wikileaks &#8211; Climategate double standard.</p>
<p>3 monkeys, 2 with unimpaired sensory channels, the 3rd hearing, seeing and speaking no evil.</p>
<p>I see the Swiss have closed Assanges&#8217;  bank account &#8211; Swiss bank heist ???</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/12/light-bulb-tests-shame-greenies/comment-page-1/#comment-31413</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 19:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;what were you thinking, Greenpeace?&quot;

TrustPower handed out discount coupons for CFLBs in a promotion a while ago so there will be red faces in a number of organizations sucked in by this lunacy. I know people that installed them only to have them blow immediately (might have been due to high voltage - dunno).

&quot;Why were we persuaded to use them? Because they save energy. So what, you ask? Less energy use means less global warming – did you know that?&quot;

Even this is disputed in Germany, hence the Heat Ball saga. The argument is that incandescants are as useful for heating purposes as they are for light. In summer, lighting isn&#039;t used much but in winter  2 or 3 x 100W (0.2-0.3kW) incandescents not only light a room but heat it as well. If that heat source is taken away the heat must be made up some other way, possibly by fossil fuel. I know I use incandescents for heat as much as light.

German &quot;heatball&quot; wheeze outwits EU light bulb ban

BERLIN &#124; Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:51am EDT

(Reuters) - A German entrepreneur is bypassing a European Union ban on light bulbs of more than 60 watts by marketing his own brand as mini heaters.

Siegfried Rotthaeuser and his brother-in-law have come up with a legal way of importing and distributing 75 and 100 watt light bulbs -- by producing them in China, importing them as &quot;small heating devices&quot; and selling them as &quot;heatballs.&quot;

To improve energy efficiency, the EU has banned the sale of bulbs of over 60 watts -- to the annoyance of the mechanical engineer from the western city of Essen.

Rotthaeuser studied EU legislation and realized that because the inefficient old bulbs produce more warmth than light -- he calculated heat makes up 95 percent of their output, and light just 5 percent -- they could be sold legally as heaters.

On their website (heatball.de/), the two engineers describe the heatballs as &quot;action art&quot; and as &quot;resistance against legislation which is implemented without recourse to democratic and parliamentary processes.&quot;

Costing 1.69 euros each ($2.38), the heatballs are going down well -- the first batch of 4,000 sold out in three days.

Rotthaeuser has pledged to donate 30 cents of every heatball sold to saving the rainforest, which the 49-year-old sees as a better way of protecting the environment than investing in energy-saving lamps, which contain toxic mercury.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69E3FS20101015

DDR stole 40,000 little heatballs


Because the first packages of 4,000 heatballs - sold for EUR 1.69 or USD 2.30 per piece - were instantly sold out, the entrepreneur ordered 40,000 additional heatballs. However, they were immediately confiscated by the DDR custom apparatchiks at the Cologne International Airport and the engineer was actually arrested for a while: he became a kind of dissident in the DDR.

An official propaganda mouthpiece of Business Green describes the business idea as &quot;orchestrated two fingers&quot; to the Brussels. :-)

To be honest, they authorities are still investigating what the products actually are used for - by polls etc. Why don&#039;t they ask a physicist instead of random consumers what is the primary purpose of the product? As a physicist, I can assure them that a vast majority of the energy in the product is used for heating, so it should be considered a heating device and the regulations invented for light sources shouldn&#039;t apply. ;-)

This point doesn&#039;t seem obvious to them and they&#039;re unfortunately in charge. You just can&#039;t import miniature sources of heat to the DDR, stupid! The message is Don&#039;t mess up with arrogant totalitarian ideologies. The DDR and EUSSR comrades have apparently forgotten the weather that German soldiers experienced near Stalingrad so they want to deny their citizens their right to possess heatballs. ;-)

http://motls.blogspot.com/2010/11/ddr-stole-40000-little-heatballs.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;what were you thinking, Greenpeace?&#8221;</p>
<p>TrustPower handed out discount coupons for CFLBs in a promotion a while ago so there will be red faces in a number of organizations sucked in by this lunacy. I know people that installed them only to have them blow immediately (might have been due to high voltage &#8211; dunno).</p>
<p>&#8220;Why were we persuaded to use them? Because they save energy. So what, you ask? Less energy use means less global warming – did you know that?&#8221;</p>
<p>Even this is disputed in Germany, hence the Heat Ball saga. The argument is that incandescants are as useful for heating purposes as they are for light. In summer, lighting isn&#8217;t used much but in winter  2 or 3 x 100W (0.2-0.3kW) incandescents not only light a room but heat it as well. If that heat source is taken away the heat must be made up some other way, possibly by fossil fuel. I know I use incandescents for heat as much as light.</p>
<p>German &#8220;heatball&#8221; wheeze outwits EU light bulb ban</p>
<p>BERLIN | Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:51am EDT</p>
<p>(Reuters) &#8211; A German entrepreneur is bypassing a European Union ban on light bulbs of more than 60 watts by marketing his own brand as mini heaters.</p>
<p>Siegfried Rotthaeuser and his brother-in-law have come up with a legal way of importing and distributing 75 and 100 watt light bulbs &#8212; by producing them in China, importing them as &#8220;small heating devices&#8221; and selling them as &#8220;heatballs.&#8221;</p>
<p>To improve energy efficiency, the EU has banned the sale of bulbs of over 60 watts &#8212; to the annoyance of the mechanical engineer from the western city of Essen.</p>
<p>Rotthaeuser studied EU legislation and realized that because the inefficient old bulbs produce more warmth than light &#8212; he calculated heat makes up 95 percent of their output, and light just 5 percent &#8212; they could be sold legally as heaters.</p>
<p>On their website (heatball.de/), the two engineers describe the heatballs as &#8220;action art&#8221; and as &#8220;resistance against legislation which is implemented without recourse to democratic and parliamentary processes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Costing 1.69 euros each ($2.38), the heatballs are going down well &#8212; the first batch of 4,000 sold out in three days.</p>
<p>Rotthaeuser has pledged to donate 30 cents of every heatball sold to saving the rainforest, which the 49-year-old sees as a better way of protecting the environment than investing in energy-saving lamps, which contain toxic mercury.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69E3FS20101015" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69E3FS20101015</a></p>
<p>DDR stole 40,000 little heatballs</p>
<p>Because the first packages of 4,000 heatballs &#8211; sold for EUR 1.69 or USD 2.30 per piece &#8211; were instantly sold out, the entrepreneur ordered 40,000 additional heatballs. However, they were immediately confiscated by the DDR custom apparatchiks at the Cologne International Airport and the engineer was actually arrested for a while: he became a kind of dissident in the DDR.</p>
<p>An official propaganda mouthpiece of Business Green describes the business idea as &#8220;orchestrated two fingers&#8221; to the Brussels. <img src='http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>To be honest, they authorities are still investigating what the products actually are used for &#8211; by polls etc. Why don&#8217;t they ask a physicist instead of random consumers what is the primary purpose of the product? As a physicist, I can assure them that a vast majority of the energy in the product is used for heating, so it should be considered a heating device and the regulations invented for light sources shouldn&#8217;t apply. <img src='http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>This point doesn&#8217;t seem obvious to them and they&#8217;re unfortunately in charge. You just can&#8217;t import miniature sources of heat to the DDR, stupid! The message is Don&#8217;t mess up with arrogant totalitarian ideologies. The DDR and EUSSR comrades have apparently forgotten the weather that German soldiers experienced near Stalingrad so they want to deny their citizens their right to possess heatballs. <img src='http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://motls.blogspot.com/2010/11/ddr-stole-40000-little-heatballs.html" rel="nofollow">http://motls.blogspot.com/2010/11/ddr-stole-40000-little-heatballs.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2010/12/light-bulb-tests-shame-greenies/comment-page-1/#comment-31408</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 18:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t expect anything resembling common sense from the EU.

On a an EU related topic, Richard North once again brings up the subject of the CER/CFC scam.

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/12/follow-money.html

In short, the Chinese are manufacturing CFCs for the sole purpose of destroying them, and thereby gaining carbon credits, which are around 70 times the cost of production. Nice little earner...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t expect anything resembling common sense from the EU.</p>
<p>On a an EU related topic, Richard North once again brings up the subject of the CER/CFC scam.</p>
<p><a href="http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/12/follow-money.html" rel="nofollow">http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/12/follow-money.html</a></p>
<p>In short, the Chinese are manufacturing CFCs for the sole purpose of destroying them, and thereby gaining carbon credits, which are around 70 times the cost of production. Nice little earner&#8230;</p>
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