But then, if you believe there should be a Fatwa against those who do not share your view, I can understand your passion.

Perhaps watching a video of your favorite denier being beheaded would give you some personal pleasure?

http://hot-topic.co.nz/how-to-be-a-denier-lesson-1-shrivel-and-die/#comment-20651

Be patient Samoth – debunking is on the way to a post near you.

They would have a very real grip on where the thermostat is set, don’t you think?

The cold snap in Europe is actually a result of otherwise exceptionally warm temperatures in the rest of the northern regions. November 2010 was the globally the warmest November on record.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2010november/

What an ignorant post from an ignorant editor, what bag of lies!

CO2 is proven by the worlds leading scientists to be the ‘thermostat’ of the worlds climate.
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/co2-temperature.html

Get a grip on reality you guys.

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Today US$141billion ($188billion) worth of credits that help countries meet their Kyoto goals are changing hands in global emissions markets. And business is booming in offsets – the right for countries and companies that still pollute too much to claim credit for green projects elsewhere. All those efforts are based on bottom-up calculations being accurate.
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Traders and regulators say Europe’s carbon market, called the Emissions Trading System, and the United Nations’ offset market, called the Clean Development Mechanism, are making a real dent in greenhouse emissions. Bloomberg New Energy Finance says from US$570 million a year in 2004, the global carbon market could surge to US$1.4trillion worth of transactions by the end of the decade. Trade in carbon options contracts alone soared to almost US$10.6billion last year.
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“It is working,” says James Cameron, vice chairman of Climate Change Capital, a London fund manager that has invested more than US$1billion in carbon credits. “This system is only there to take tonnes of carbon out of the atmosphere. It has no other purpose,” says Cameron, who won’t say how much the fund has profited. “It has propelled some very, very good investments.” Bloomberg data show wind farms in China are among them.
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India, the second-biggest earner of UN offsets, claims more than 550 green projects – from methane-trapping landfills to bricks made without coal-fired kilns. The UN says those projects have eliminated the equivalent of 80 million tonnes of CO2 from the air. India isn’t required to verify those calculations: nobody takes a measurement device to a plant or assesses the air across polluted cities to say CO2 levels have dropped.
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A tonne of CO2 was this week trading at €11.80 ($21) on London’s European Climate Exchange. “As soon as emissions become worth a lot of money, I start losing faith in self-reported numbers regardless of who signs off on them,” Tans says. “We need something more objective – like checking what’s actually appearing in the atmosphere. That’s what really counts and requires a serious enhancement of the present capabilities.”
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“When it comes down to it, these estimates are all guesses,” says John Bosch, who retired from the EPA in 2009 after 38 years.

Bosch says he left to become a consultant because he was frustrated that regulators didn’t require precise measurements. New laser-based instruments make policing emissions possible, he says. “In the real world, there are huge motivations for everyone to low-ball emissions,” he says. Regulators wanted to report progress, and polluters wanted to pay less for permits. “Everybody is in the game.”

The problem with pricing carbon is that coal is so darned cheap. Up to the point where the carbon price actually forces a change in energy generation investment patterns, the carbon tax is simply a revenue raising exercise. The government is not brave enough to put a tax on carbon that is high enough to change the supply side of the equation so the only impact will be on the demand side through elevated prices.

In the meanwhile the Feds will have gathered billions in carbon taxes which will be squandered on pet Labor projects like uneconomic renewables to keep the Greenies happy.

At the end of the day it is a nation-wide exercise in redistributing resources to inefficient projects, which is why I find it so abhorrent as an economist.
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cohenite:
December 20th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

The problem with a price on carbon is that the renewables don’t work at any price; therefore if you price fossils out of the picture the result will be no power.
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Baa Humbug:
December 20th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

Are we forgetting the laws of supply and demand here?

The trouble with taxing coal to a level where so called renewables bacome competitive, means less demand on coal.
Less demand on coal will lead to a drop in price, making renewables less competitve again, meaning the tax on coal has to be raised higher and ever higher.

It will get to a stage where many millions of poor people around the world will start burning cheap black market coal for domestic heating and cooking. That would be a disaster.
The only option then would be to make coal a prohibited substance. Good luck with that.

Major shifts in energy use don’t happen overnight. Winding down coal use will take decades. In the mean time, as price of coal nudges higher and higher, ever increasing numbers of people will resort to using black market coal for heating and cooking in places like South America, Asia and Africa.

By the time authorities are convinced that it’s a problem, the horse would have bolted.

Think alcohol, think chop chop tobacco.

You know it makes sense.

http://joannenova.com.au/2010/12/a-journalist-who-confuses-journalism-with-propaganda/#comments

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/12/there-is-god-in-heaven.html

- In Florida, thousands of sea creatures washed up dead this week because of cold snap
- Great Britain and Ireland are experiencing their coldest December ever recorded.
- The southern US is breaking all kinds of cold temperature records.
- The freezing temperatures are causing record deaths in London.