Comments on: Call for calm over hot, rising seas

By: Andy

Andy — Mon, 31 Jan 2011 03:44:31 +0000

Will they be advertising for a team leader I wonder?

“Head required for Dope Project”

By: Richard C (NZ)

Richard C (NZ) — Mon, 31 Jan 2011 02:58:26 +0000

“Trenberth says that 0.85W/m2 is “missing”, and, supported by GS, that the deeper oceans must be heating below the depths even the Argo floats go to.”

Yes, and probably right now he is planning a Deep Ocean Penetration Experiment (DOPE) at GEWEX to test his hypothesis.

By: Richard C (NZ)

Richard C (NZ) — Mon, 31 Jan 2011 01:57:00 +0000

“Recently Lyman et al. [1] have estimated a robust global warming trend of 0.63 ± 0.28 W/m2 for Earth during 1993–2008, calculated from ocean heat content anomaly (OHC) data. This value is not representative of the recent (2003–2008) warming/cooling rate because of a “flattening” that occurred around 2001–2002. Using only 2003-2008 data, we find cooling, not warming.
This result does not support the existence of a large frequently- cited positive computed radiative imbalance (see, for example, Trenberth and Fasullo [2]).” – Knox-Douglass 2010.

By: Richard C (NZ)

Richard C (NZ) — Mon, 31 Jan 2011 00:25:43 +0000

Bob D’s very good GMSL plot showing a best fit decelerating curve.

http://i51.tinypic.com/do3u41.gif

This would make an excellent update Richart T.

By: Richard C (NZ)

Richard C (NZ) — Mon, 31 Jan 2011 00:18:39 +0000

Pielke Snr comments on the lack of recent ocean heating found by Lyman 2010,

“A consequence of this absence of heating is that we should soon see a return to the radiative imbalance predicted by Jim Hansen, if he is correct. Indeed, this provides us the best opportunity we have over the next few years to test the robustness of the multi-decadal global models to predict the climate system radiative imbalance (i.e. global warming).”

http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2010/05/21/update-on-jim-hansens-forecast-of-the-global-radiative-imbalance-as-diagnosed-by-the-upper-ocean-heat-content-change/

By: Richard C (NZ)

Richard C (NZ) — Sun, 30 Jan 2011 23:58:54 +0000

“The individual OHCA curves all flatten out after around 2003, with some variability among curves in the year in which this levelling occurs. The causes of this flattening are unclear, but sea surface temperatures have been roughly constant since 2000″ – Lyman 2010.

By: Richard Treadgold

Richard Treadgold — Sun, 30 Jan 2011 23:53:48 +0000

Doug,

I sympathise with your instinct to apply names more appropriately. It would be satisfying. But I tend to think that what stimulates dialogue is more useful in the long term than what stifles it. Even with the enemy—especially with the enemy.

By: Richard Treadgold

Richard Treadgold — Sun, 30 Jan 2011 23:50:15 +0000

Yes. How would the heat pass through the thermocline? We know the cold bottom water can and does rise by the movement of currents, but I’ve not heard of a method whereby warm water might sink. It would be like hot air sinking to the ground, which is unthinkable.

By: Andy

Andy — Sun, 30 Jan 2011 22:44:09 +0000

This idea that the deep oceans are heating more than the shallows seems a little hard to believe somehow.

By: Doug Proctor

Doug Proctor — Sun, 30 Jan 2011 22:28:39 +0000

The Lyman (2010) plot looks quite different (see RealClimate Jan 11.2011). Schmidt seems to think it is the correct one, i.e. what is really going along. I guess as Trenberth says that 0.85W/m2 is “missing”, and, supported by GS, that the deeper oceans must be heating below the depths even the Argo floats go to.

Isn’t this the sort of thing pyschologists use the term “in denial” for? Skeptics as “affirmers”, and warmists as “deniers”. Heck – let’s create our own terminology, as they do. Imitation and flattery (or is that flatulence?) and all that.