Comments on: Computer model is not evidence http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/computer-model-is-not-evidence/ Taking the heat out of global warming Sun, 20 May 2012 05:18:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Flipper http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/computer-model-is-not-evidence/comment-page-1/#comment-36228 Flipper Tue, 11 Jan 2011 03:35:26 +0000 http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/?p=8351#comment-36228 It is ironic that when the Queensland rains started Ministers in Gillard’s Government still had AGW briefing (papers) warnings fresh in their minds. The incoming Government’s Strategic Brief for the Climate Change and Energy Efficiency portfolio, dated September 2010 stated: “Climate models project that reduced rainfall is likely over most of Australia in the future”. A lengthy sojourn talking with Australian news commentators and business decision-makers over the past month convinces me that apart from some looney academics, green dumies, labour professional poiliticians and 'crats, few Australians believe in the AGW rubbish. Richard, your letter is good stuff and if it is not published go to the Press Council as a test case! It is ironic that when the Queensland rains started Ministers in Gillard’s Government still had AGW briefing (papers) warnings fresh in their minds.
The incoming Government’s Strategic Brief for the Climate Change and Energy Efficiency portfolio, dated September 2010 stated:

“Climate models project that reduced rainfall is likely over most of Australia in the future”.

A lengthy sojourn talking with Australian news commentators and business decision-makers over the past month convinces me that apart from some looney academics, green dumies, labour professional poiliticians and ‘crats, few Australians believe in the AGW rubbish.

Richard, your letter is good stuff and if it is not published go to the Press Council as a test case!

]]> By: val majkus http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/computer-model-is-not-evidence/comment-page-1/#comment-36123 val majkus Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:06:41 +0000 http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/?p=8351#comment-36123 Richard the best spot to explore that comment of yours referring to the SMH article is http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2011/01/floods-steal-precious-topsoil/ there's also a link there to an article by David F. Smith, former Director-General of Agriculture for Victoria, and his article ‘Green Myths About Australian Farming’ first published at Quadrant Online here: http://www.quadrant.org.au/magazine/issue/2009/4/green-myths-about-australian-farming the SMH article is misleading to say the least Richard the best spot to explore that comment of yours referring to the SMH article is http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2011/01/floods-steal-precious-topsoil/
there’s also a link there to an article by David F. Smith, former Director-General of Agriculture for Victoria, and his article ‘Green Myths About Australian Farming’ first published at Quadrant Online here:
http://www.quadrant.org.au/magazine/issue/2009/4/green-myths-about-australian-farming

the SMH article is misleading to say the least

]]> By: val majkus http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/computer-model-is-not-evidence/comment-page-1/#comment-36117 val majkus Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:10:49 +0000 http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/?p=8351#comment-36117 some photos http://www.thechronicle.com.au/story/2011/01/10/city-downpour-sparks-flash-floods-toowoomba/ some photos
http://www.thechronicle.com.au/story/2011/01/10/city-downpour-sparks-flash-floods-toowoomba/

]]> By: val majkus http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/computer-model-is-not-evidence/comment-page-1/#comment-36110 val majkus Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:29:52 +0000 http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/?p=8351#comment-36110 RichardC thanks for your concern; I've made a comment on Dr Marohassy's blog about the floods steal precious topsoil link by Sheehan here's the blog and comment http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2011/01/floods-steal-precious-topsoil/#comments val and here's a comment by el gordo at http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2011/01/annual-climate-statement-bureau-of-meteorology/#comments now the historical link posted by el gordo is fascinating (for temperature enthusiasists it starts on page 9 I think; search for Dawes) as to Toowoomba's situation thank you for the thought; yes, our back yard flooded but with the help of my neighbour who is a police officer I cleared the storm water drains but Toowoomba has had its second torrential downpour within a week - there are reports of cars being swept away but no damage to life; but thanks so much for the concern By the way all the river which falls in Toowoomba flows into the Condamine which flows into the Murray basin RichardC thanks for your concern; I’ve made a comment on Dr Marohassy’s blog about the floods steal precious topsoil link by Sheehan
here’s the blog and comment

http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2011/01/floods-steal-precious-topsoil/#comments
val
and here’s a comment by el gordo at
http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2011/01/annual-climate-statement-bureau-of-meteorology/#comments

now the historical link posted by el gordo is fascinating (for temperature enthusiasists it starts on page 9 I think; search for Dawes)

as to Toowoomba’s situation thank you for the thought; yes, our back yard flooded but with the help of my neighbour who is a police officer I cleared the storm water drains but Toowoomba has had its second torrential downpour within a week – there are reports of cars being swept away but no damage to life; but thanks so much for the concern

By the way all the river which falls in Toowoomba flows into the Condamine which flows into the Murray basin

]]> By: Richard C (NZ) http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/computer-model-is-not-evidence/comment-page-1/#comment-36107 Richard C (NZ) Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:09:15 +0000 http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/?p=8351#comment-36107 ''Prior to [European] settlement, every river estuary ran clear, even during flood times. Today's rivers run brown with the lifeblood of the landscape. That did not used to happen. By keeping water, soil and fertility in the landscape, the climate was moderated and kept cooler.'' ”Prior to [European] settlement, every river estuary ran clear, even during flood times. Today’s rivers run brown with the lifeblood of the landscape. That did not used to happen. By keeping water, soil and fertility in the landscape, the climate was moderated and kept cooler.”

]]> By: Richard C (NZ) http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/computer-model-is-not-evidence/comment-page-1/#comment-36105 Richard C (NZ) Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:04:31 +0000 http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/?p=8351#comment-36105 This article is sobering too:- Floods steal precious topsoil - and future goes down drain http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/floods-steal-precious-topsoil--and-future-goes-down-drain-20110110-19knq.html This article is sobering too:-

Floods steal precious topsoil – and future goes down drain

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/floods-steal-precious-topsoil–and-future-goes-down-drain-20110110-19knq.html

]]> By: Richard C (NZ) http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/computer-model-is-not-evidence/comment-page-1/#comment-36103 Richard C (NZ) Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:47:17 +0000 http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/?p=8351#comment-36103 Another report in the Brisbane Times Emergency situation emerging in Toowoomba http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/weather/emergency-situation-emerging-in-toowoomba-20110110-19kti.html Does not look good Another report in the Brisbane Times

Emergency situation emerging in Toowoomba

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/weather/emergency-situation-emerging-in-toowoomba-20110110-19kti.html

Does not look good

]]> By: Richard C (NZ) http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/computer-model-is-not-evidence/comment-page-1/#comment-36101 Richard C (NZ) Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:32:22 +0000 http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/?p=8351#comment-36101 Val, I see this report in The Australian:- Flash flood hits Toowoomba http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/flash-flood-hits-toowoomba/story-fn3dxity-1225985100058 Are you on high ground? Val, I see this report in The Australian:-

Flash flood hits Toowoomba

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/flash-flood-hits-toowoomba/story-fn3dxity-1225985100058

Are you on high ground?

]]> By: val majkus http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/computer-model-is-not-evidence/comment-page-1/#comment-36072 val majkus Mon, 10 Jan 2011 03:06:37 +0000 http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/?p=8351#comment-36072 here's a fascinating historical account though it's limited to Australia el gordo at Dr Marohassy’s blog directed me and which other readers might be interested in http://climatehistory.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Environmental-History-2010-Gergis-envhis_emq079.pdf the influence of climate on the first european SETTLEMENT OF AUSTRALIA: A COMPARISON OF WEATHER JOURNALS, DOCUMENTARY DATA AND PALAEOCLIMATE RECORDS, 1788–1793 ABSTRACT I mention it here because models don't have the ability to hindcast but it's nice to know what the history was from the weather journals and other records here’s a fascinating historical account though it’s limited to Australia
el gordo at Dr Marohassy’s blog directed me and which other readers might be interested in
http://climatehistory.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Environmental-History-2010-Gergis-envhis_emq079.pdf

the influence of climate on the first european
SETTLEMENT
OF AUSTRALIA: A COMPARISON OF WEATHER JOURNALS, DOCUMENTARY
DATA AND PALAEOCLIMATE RECORDS, 1788–1793
ABSTRACT

I mention it here because models don’t have the ability to hindcast but it’s nice to know what the history was from the weather journals and other records

]]> By: Richard Treadgold http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/computer-model-is-not-evidence/comment-page-1/#comment-36048 Richard Treadgold Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:44:44 +0000 http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/?p=8351#comment-36048 Oh, you clever lad! But who knows? Oh, you clever lad! But who knows?

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