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	<description>Taking the heat out of global warming</description>
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		<title>By: (not so) Silent</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/holiday-time/comment-page-1/#comment-37424</link>
		<dc:creator>(not so) Silent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 03:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWHgUE9AD4s&amp;feature=player_embedded

&quot;No – just “sit down and shut up&quot;

Yes, well, watch this......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWHgUE9AD4s&#038;feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWHgUE9AD4s&#038;feature=player_embedded</a></p>
<p>&#8220;No – just “sit down and shut up&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, well, watch this&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/holiday-time/comment-page-1/#comment-37254</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 08:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This comment on Judith Curry&#039;s blog is worth a read:
(linked from CA)

http://judithcurry.com/2010/12/20/understanding-conservative-religious-resistance-to-climate-science/#comment-24167

&lt;em&gt;
I worked at Goddard for most of 42 years – with the atmospheric scientists. And I talked to them. One talks about a lot of different subjects while waiting through a spacecraft thermal-vac test or waiting for a spaceraft science data dump or working through science instrument schedules or problems or waiting for a design meeting to start or over lunch at a conference. And one of those subjects was global warming. And the opinion of nearly all of those atmospheric scientists was that the theory was flawed and the data did not support it to any great degree. But they dared not express those opinions officially or publish anything of the sort if they wanted to keep their jobs and careers. “Grand conspiracy”? No – just “sit down and shut up and don’t rock the boat or we’ll throw you out to drown on your own”. 
&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comment on Judith Curry&#8217;s blog is worth a read:<br />
(linked from CA)</p>
<p><a href="http://judithcurry.com/2010/12/20/understanding-conservative-religious-resistance-to-climate-science/#comment-24167" rel="nofollow">http://judithcurry.com/2010/12/20/understanding-conservative-religious-resistance-to-climate-science/#comment-24167</a></p>
<p><em><br />
I worked at Goddard for most of 42 years – with the atmospheric scientists. And I talked to them. One talks about a lot of different subjects while waiting through a spacecraft thermal-vac test or waiting for a spaceraft science data dump or working through science instrument schedules or problems or waiting for a design meeting to start or over lunch at a conference. And one of those subjects was global warming. And the opinion of nearly all of those atmospheric scientists was that the theory was flawed and the data did not support it to any great degree. But they dared not express those opinions officially or publish anything of the sort if they wanted to keep their jobs and careers. “Grand conspiracy”? No – just “sit down and shut up and don’t rock the boat or we’ll throw you out to drown on your own”.<br />
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/holiday-time/comment-page-1/#comment-37253</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 08:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve McIntyre has a series of posts on the recent statements from Trenberth

http://climateaudit.org/2011/01/13/trenberths-bile/

Seems a bit of plagiarism has been happening too, in addition to the usual offensive language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve McIntyre has a series of posts on the recent statements from Trenberth</p>
<p><a href="http://climateaudit.org/2011/01/13/trenberths-bile/" rel="nofollow">http://climateaudit.org/2011/01/13/trenberths-bile/</a></p>
<p>Seems a bit of plagiarism has been happening too, in addition to the usual offensive language.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/holiday-time/comment-page-1/#comment-37219</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 03:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and it&#039;s worth watching the full video. The sting is in the tail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and it&#8217;s worth watching the full video. The sting is in the tail.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/holiday-time/comment-page-1/#comment-37217</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 03:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BBC&#039;s bias on Global Warming

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2011/01/bbc-bias.html

Links to YouTube video

Worth a watch, especially for newbees</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BBC&#8217;s bias on Global Warming</p>
<p><a href="http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2011/01/bbc-bias.html" rel="nofollow">http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2011/01/bbc-bias.html</a></p>
<p>Links to YouTube video</p>
<p>Worth a watch, especially for newbees</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/holiday-time/comment-page-1/#comment-37197</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 01:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Stern at the frontiers of knowledge&quot; according to Bryan Walker.

Self imposed frontiers, but frontiers nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Stern at the frontiers of knowledge&#8221; according to Bryan Walker.</p>
<p>Self imposed frontiers, but frontiers nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/holiday-time/comment-page-1/#comment-37177</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 21:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NZ Herald has consulted the &quot;Experts&quot;

&quot;La Nina, global warming to blame for floods&quot;

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/climate-change/news/article.cfm?c_id=26&amp;objectid=10699504

&quot;Experts blame a combination of a La Nina weather pattern and global warming for the magnitude of the Queensland flood disaster.&quot;

Search on the internet for - Queensland flood history 

Second item on the first page returned is this BOM page

http://www.bom.gov.au/hydro/flood/qld/fld_history/index.shtml
 
* 	Queensland Flood History :
Pre-1860&#039;s 	1860&#039;s 	1870&#039;s 	1880&#039;s 	1890&#039;s 	  	  	  	  	 
1900&#039;s 	1910&#039;s 	1920&#039;s 	1930&#039;s 	1940&#039;s 	1950&#039;s 	1960&#039;s 	1970&#039;s 	1980&#039;s 	1990&#039;s
2000&#039;s 	2010&#039;s 	

Click on &quot;1910&#039;s&quot; for a sample.

http://www.bom.gov.au/hydro/flood/qld/fld_history/floodsum_1910.shtml

Not as if high &quot;magnitude&quot; floods are a new phenomenon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NZ Herald has consulted the &#8220;Experts&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;La Nina, global warming to blame for floods&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/climate-change/news/article.cfm?c_id=26&#038;objectid=10699504" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/climate-change/news/article.cfm?c_id=26&#038;objectid=10699504</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Experts blame a combination of a La Nina weather pattern and global warming for the magnitude of the Queensland flood disaster.&#8221;</p>
<p>Search on the internet for &#8211; Queensland flood history </p>
<p>Second item on the first page returned is this BOM page</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bom.gov.au/hydro/flood/qld/fld_history/index.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.bom.gov.au/hydro/flood/qld/fld_history/index.shtml</a></p>
<p>* 	Queensland Flood History :<br />
Pre-1860&#8242;s 	1860&#8242;s 	1870&#8242;s 	1880&#8242;s 	1890&#8242;s<br />
1900&#8242;s 	1910&#8242;s 	1920&#8242;s 	1930&#8242;s 	1940&#8242;s 	1950&#8242;s 	1960&#8242;s 	1970&#8242;s 	1980&#8242;s 	1990&#8242;s<br />
2000&#8242;s 	2010&#8242;s 	</p>
<p>Click on &#8220;1910&#8242;s&#8221; for a sample.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bom.gov.au/hydro/flood/qld/fld_history/floodsum_1910.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.bom.gov.au/hydro/flood/qld/fld_history/floodsum_1910.shtml</a></p>
<p>Not as if high &#8220;magnitude&#8221; floods are a new phenomenon.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/holiday-time/comment-page-1/#comment-37176</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Yet the policy of the Queensland Government was to keep the dams full because of their advice from the likes of Tim Flannery et al.  This was that, because of global warming, Queensland was going to remain in drought. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Tim Flannery was Australian of the Year, 2007 and &quot;et al&quot; includes CSIRO and BOM but not Prof Manning because he is in a different camp that espouses  - &quot;we do expect more rain may well be coming out because of global warming”.

So there&#039;s two camps:  &quot;et al&quot; and &quot;we&quot;. The &quot;we&quot; camp has found full voice after a strange affliction that allowed them to pronounce &quot;drought&quot; but not &quot;rain&quot;. It&#039;s good to see that the &quot;we&quot; folks have had their full vocal range restored - it must be one of the amazing healing properties of water. Just a pity their semi-mute period cost Queensland and Victoria a desalination plant each, although I see Queensland has quietly mothballed plans for theirs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>Yet the policy of the Queensland Government was to keep the dams full because of their advice from the likes of Tim Flannery et al.  This was that, because of global warming, Queensland was going to remain in drought. </em></p></blockquote>
<p>Tim Flannery was Australian of the Year, 2007 and &#8220;et al&#8221; includes CSIRO and BOM but not Prof Manning because he is in a different camp that espouses  &#8211; &#8220;we do expect more rain may well be coming out because of global warming”.</p>
<p>So there&#8217;s two camps:  &#8220;et al&#8221; and &#8220;we&#8221;. The &#8220;we&#8221; camp has found full voice after a strange affliction that allowed them to pronounce &#8220;drought&#8221; but not &#8220;rain&#8221;. It&#8217;s good to see that the &#8220;we&#8221; folks have had their full vocal range restored &#8211; it must be one of the amazing healing properties of water. Just a pity their semi-mute period cost Queensland and Victoria a desalination plant each, although I see Queensland has quietly mothballed plans for theirs.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/holiday-time/comment-page-1/#comment-37171</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 19:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Climate change economics is the next industrial revolution&quot; - yep, right after climate change advocacy, climate change bureaucracy, climate change [insert rort here].

Certainly paying handsomely for one economist at least.

If Stern thinks Spain has &quot;woken up to the benefits&quot; then either: Stern is dreaming, Spain is extremely deluded or &quot;benefits&quot; has a new definition.

Given the source of the award, &quot;Spain is extremely deluded&quot; seems to be the best assessment. I&#039;m discounting &quot;Stern is dreaming&quot; because I think he knows exactly where his bread gets buttered and I haven&#039;t heard that &quot;benefits&quot; has been redefined, although that is not out of the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Climate change economics is the next industrial revolution&#8221; &#8211; yep, right after climate change advocacy, climate change bureaucracy, climate change [insert rort here].</p>
<p>Certainly paying handsomely for one economist at least.</p>
<p>If Stern thinks Spain has &#8220;woken up to the benefits&#8221; then either: Stern is dreaming, Spain is extremely deluded or &#8220;benefits&#8221; has a new definition.</p>
<p>Given the source of the award, &#8220;Spain is extremely deluded&#8221; seems to be the best assessment. I&#8217;m discounting &#8220;Stern is dreaming&#8221; because I think he knows exactly where his bread gets buttered and I haven&#8217;t heard that &#8220;benefits&#8221; has been redefined, although that is not out of the question.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/holiday-time/comment-page-1/#comment-37161</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Things are looking pretty bad for the Queensland Govt, if you believe this report from Richard North


http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2011/01/that-dam.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things are looking pretty bad for the Queensland Govt, if you believe this report from Richard North</p>
<p><a href="http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2011/01/that-dam.html" rel="nofollow">http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2011/01/that-dam.html</a></p>
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