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	<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/more-proof-global-temps-lag-soi/</link>
	<description>Taking the heat out of global warming</description>
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		<title>By: McLean&#8217;s folly and the climate clueless</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/more-proof-global-temps-lag-soi/comment-page-1/#comment-72373</link>
		<dc:creator>McLean&#8217;s folly and the climate clueless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 11:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] member Bryan Leyland used this to &#8220;predict&#8221; a coming cooling, which was lapped up by the usual suspects. In January this year, Leyland predicted cooling would continue until at least June. Now McLean has [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] member Bryan Leyland used this to &#8220;predict&#8221; a coming cooling, which was lapped up by the usual suspects. In January this year, Leyland predicted cooling would continue until at least June. Now McLean has [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/more-proof-global-temps-lag-soi/comment-page-1/#comment-37165</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 19:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe Bastardi is on a similar theme here: (video)

http://www.accuweather.com/video.asp?channel=vblog_bastardi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Bastardi is on a similar theme here: (video)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.accuweather.com/video.asp?channel=vblog_bastardi" rel="nofollow">http://www.accuweather.com/video.asp?channel=vblog_bastardi</a></p>
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		<title>By: val majkus</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/more-proof-global-temps-lag-soi/comment-page-1/#comment-37052</link>
		<dc:creator>val majkus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 23:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a link in a comment to the above article by Geoff Sherrington 
to http://www.geoffstuff.com/Jane%20Warne%20thermometry%20Broadmeadows.pdf
A Preliminary Investigation of Temperature Screen Design and Their
Impacts on Temperature Measurements</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a link in a comment to the above article by Geoff Sherrington<br />
to <a href="http://www.geoffstuff.com/Jane%20Warne%20thermometry%20Broadmeadows.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.geoffstuff.com/Jane%20Warne%20thermometry%20Broadmeadows.pdf</a><br />
A Preliminary Investigation of Temperature Screen Design and Their<br />
Impacts on Temperature Measurements</p>
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		<title>By: val majkus</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/more-proof-global-temps-lag-soi/comment-page-1/#comment-37051</link>
		<dc:creator>val majkus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 23:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warwick Hughes http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=780#more-780 has a Guest article by Pat Frank 
Dr Frank says 
We’ve all read the diagnosis, for example here, that the global climate has suffered “unprecedented warming,” since about 1900. The accepted increase across the 20th century is 0.7 (+/-)0.2 C. As an experimental chemist, I always wondered at that “(+/-)0.2 C.” In my experience, it seemed an awfully narrow uncertainty, given the exigencies of instruments and outdoor measurements.  I did a study which led to the paper that is just out in Energy and Environment [5]. Here’s the title and the abstract:

Title: “Uncertainty in the Global Average Surface Air Temperature Index: A Representative Lower Limit”
(abstract follows and conclusion)
This lower limit of instrumental uncertainty implies that Earth’s fever is indistinguishable from zero Celsius, at the 1σ level, across the entire 20th century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warwick Hughes <a href="http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=780#more-780" rel="nofollow">http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=780#more-780</a> has a Guest article by Pat Frank<br />
Dr Frank says<br />
We’ve all read the diagnosis, for example here, that the global climate has suffered “unprecedented warming,” since about 1900. The accepted increase across the 20th century is 0.7 (+/-)0.2 C. As an experimental chemist, I always wondered at that “(+/-)0.2 C.” In my experience, it seemed an awfully narrow uncertainty, given the exigencies of instruments and outdoor measurements.  I did a study which led to the paper that is just out in Energy and Environment [5]. Here’s the title and the abstract:</p>
<p>Title: “Uncertainty in the Global Average Surface Air Temperature Index: A Representative Lower Limit”<br />
(abstract follows and conclusion)<br />
This lower limit of instrumental uncertainty implies that Earth’s fever is indistinguishable from zero Celsius, at the 1σ level, across the entire 20th century.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Treadgold</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/more-proof-global-temps-lag-soi/comment-page-1/#comment-36658</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Treadgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goodness, Clarence, are you suggesting that some scientists might disregard this negation of the dangerous anthropogenic global warming theory?

Now, just what the gosh-darn was that theory, anyways?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goodness, Clarence, are you suggesting that some scientists might disregard this negation of the dangerous anthropogenic global warming theory?</p>
<p>Now, just what the gosh-darn was that theory, anyways?</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/more-proof-global-temps-lag-soi/comment-page-1/#comment-36656</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In climate science, it is unknown to predict an outcome of a particular hypothesis and accept that its truth will stand or fall on whether the prediction turns out to be correct.

Instead, climate scientists &quot;project&quot; future outcomes based on storylines which are improbable but which can&#039;t be disproved by results until all contemporaries are dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In climate science, it is unknown to predict an outcome of a particular hypothesis and accept that its truth will stand or fall on whether the prediction turns out to be correct.</p>
<p>Instead, climate scientists &#8220;project&#8221; future outcomes based on storylines which are improbable but which can&#8217;t be disproved by results until all contemporaries are dead.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/more-proof-global-temps-lag-soi/comment-page-1/#comment-36233</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 04:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I thought (as Doug Mackie puts it at HT)-

&lt;blockquote&gt;But as an example of successful whacking I would like to cite the case of the McLean, de Freitas and Carter paper. It was shot down mercilessly. Now I’m not great frequenter of the denialosphere but I have formed the impression that this work is not often cited now that anyone can easily post links to solid refudiations.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Note the Sarah Palin vernacular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I thought (as Doug Mackie puts it at HT)-</p>
<blockquote><p>But as an example of successful whacking I would like to cite the case of the McLean, de Freitas and Carter paper. It was shot down mercilessly. Now I’m not great frequenter of the denialosphere but I have formed the impression that this work is not often cited now that anyone can easily post links to solid refudiations.</p></blockquote>
<p>Note the Sarah Palin vernacular.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob D</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/01/more-proof-global-temps-lag-soi/comment-page-1/#comment-36217</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 02:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The current La Nina is predicted (by NOAA) to last through the SH winter.  This means we can probably expect globally cooler conditions for almost a year, because of the lag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current La Nina is predicted (by NOAA) to last through the SH winter.  This means we can probably expect globally cooler conditions for almost a year, because of the lag.</p>
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