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	<title>Comments on: NIWA&#8217;s review taking a hiding</title>
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	<description>Taking the heat out of global warming</description>
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		<title>By: Doug Proctor</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/02/niwas-review-taking-a-hiding/comment-page-1/#comment-42751</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Proctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 18:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... The data and methodology provided in the reports from NIWA are taken as an accurate representation of the actual analyses undertaken.  ...&quot; from the BOM mandate.

This is the caveat that makes the review valid but irrelevant.  It is the same one that was used in the Jones/HadCru/Climategate three investigations.

This caveat is also in all reserve engineering studies of the oil and gas industry.  It is why Shell can have a one-time 40% writedown in their (mostly from Nigerian) reserves without anyone being held accountable.  It is also why directors of companies - like government ministers - avoid prosecution.  The error, if found later, is always that of someone else believed &quot;reasonably&quot;  to behave professionally, in both an ethical and technical sense.  We cannot predict the malfeance of others, the thinking goes.

When something important is questioned, best intentions are not just what needs review.  Results need review.  Accountability is not, apparently, a socially important attritube of management (consider that lying about weapons of mass destruction never came back to hurt George W. even when the result was war and the destruction of a foreign country).

I understand that the NZScCoalition is taking a second stab at getting a reappraisal of the data and RESULTS of work on the New Zealand temperature records.  Also that a similar attempt is being made in Australia with the BOM data and position.  There must be a huge threat perceived at a governmental level about the demand for truthfulness vs &quot;truthiness&quot;.

The publlic is manipulated on a regular basis.  As Tony Blair admitted, a FOIA makes &quot;good government&quot; difficult - as long as good government requires lying, obfuscating and making regular deals with the devil.  Which, apparently, it does.   Shouldn&#039;t, needn&#039;t, but right now it does.

Good luck with forcing a review that would undermine government credibility (deserved as it is).  At least we are not in the days where comments about riding one of a &quot;troublesome priest&quot; don&#039;t lead to the steps of a cathedral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; The data and methodology provided in the reports from NIWA are taken as an accurate representation of the actual analyses undertaken.  &#8230;&#8221; from the BOM mandate.</p>
<p>This is the caveat that makes the review valid but irrelevant.  It is the same one that was used in the Jones/HadCru/Climategate three investigations.</p>
<p>This caveat is also in all reserve engineering studies of the oil and gas industry.  It is why Shell can have a one-time 40% writedown in their (mostly from Nigerian) reserves without anyone being held accountable.  It is also why directors of companies &#8211; like government ministers &#8211; avoid prosecution.  The error, if found later, is always that of someone else believed &#8220;reasonably&#8221;  to behave professionally, in both an ethical and technical sense.  We cannot predict the malfeance of others, the thinking goes.</p>
<p>When something important is questioned, best intentions are not just what needs review.  Results need review.  Accountability is not, apparently, a socially important attritube of management (consider that lying about weapons of mass destruction never came back to hurt George W. even when the result was war and the destruction of a foreign country).</p>
<p>I understand that the NZScCoalition is taking a second stab at getting a reappraisal of the data and RESULTS of work on the New Zealand temperature records.  Also that a similar attempt is being made in Australia with the BOM data and position.  There must be a huge threat perceived at a governmental level about the demand for truthfulness vs &#8220;truthiness&#8221;.</p>
<p>The publlic is manipulated on a regular basis.  As Tony Blair admitted, a FOIA makes &#8220;good government&#8221; difficult &#8211; as long as good government requires lying, obfuscating and making regular deals with the devil.  Which, apparently, it does.   Shouldn&#8217;t, needn&#8217;t, but right now it does.</p>
<p>Good luck with forcing a review that would undermine government credibility (deserved as it is).  At least we are not in the days where comments about riding one of a &#8220;troublesome priest&#8221; don&#8217;t lead to the steps of a cathedral.</p>
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		<title>By: QuentinF</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/02/niwas-review-taking-a-hiding/comment-page-1/#comment-41425</link>
		<dc:creator>QuentinF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 00:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is also significant as per ALL world temperature measurements.
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/reprint/station_number_influence.html
(not that any temperature measurements are meaningful at any individual site anywhere on the planet. We should be looking at precipitation!.. see Robert Felix radio interview)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is also significant as per ALL world temperature measurements.<br />
<a href="http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/reprint/station_number_influence.html" rel="nofollow">http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/reprint/station_number_influence.html</a><br />
(not that any temperature measurements are meaningful at any individual site anywhere on the planet. We should be looking at precipitation!.. see Robert Felix radio interview)</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/02/niwas-review-taking-a-hiding/comment-page-1/#comment-41421</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 00:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wattsupwiththat brings up NIWA and BoM today

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/02/15/climate-audit-requested-of-the-australian-bom-and-csiro/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wattsupwiththat brings up NIWA and BoM today</p>
<p><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/02/15/climate-audit-requested-of-the-australian-bom-and-csiro/" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/02/15/climate-audit-requested-of-the-australian-bom-and-csiro/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Climate Conversation Group &#187; NIWA&#8217;s review: what are they hiding?</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/02/niwas-review-taking-a-hiding/comment-page-1/#comment-41000</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate Conversation Group &#187; NIWA&#8217;s review: what are they hiding?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Feb 2011 09:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] continued from my initial post describing the weak endorsement from the Bureau of Meteorology of NIWA&#8217;s review of the [...]</description>
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