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	<title>Comments on: Submission to 2050 Emissions Target &#8220;Consultation&#8221;</title>
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	<description>Taking the heat out of global warming</description>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/02/submission-to-2050-emissions-target-consultation/comment-page-1/#comment-43713</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 06:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Etherington&#039;s book &quot;The Wind Farm Scam&quot; is a good read.
Although some of the arguments are UK specific (such as the Renewables Obligations), much of it makes sense for NZ too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Etherington&#8217;s book &#8220;The Wind Farm Scam&#8221; is a good read.<br />
Although some of the arguments are UK specific (such as the Renewables Obligations), much of it makes sense for NZ too.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Treadgold</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/02/submission-to-2050-emissions-target-consultation/comment-page-1/#comment-43711</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Treadgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 06:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and those problems are just added to the main weakness of any wind farm proposal, anywhere — it cannot add to the security of power supply, because it must have an equal amount of generation always standing by for when the wind blows too strongly or not at all.

Faulty dreams constructed on an illusion.

I&#039;ve said before, and I&#039;ll say it again: the only good purpose for a windmill is for digging a large hole that you don&#039;t need immediately. Anything else is too important to trust to a windmill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and those problems are just added to the main weakness of any wind farm proposal, anywhere — it cannot add to the security of power supply, because it must have an equal amount of generation always standing by for when the wind blows too strongly or not at all.</p>
<p>Faulty dreams constructed on an illusion.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said before, and I&#8217;ll say it again: the only good purpose for a windmill is for digging a large hole that you don&#8217;t need immediately. Anything else is too important to trust to a windmill.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/02/submission-to-2050-emissions-target-consultation/comment-page-1/#comment-43707</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 05:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Paul&#039;s blog as linked above

&lt;em&gt;Draft Report and Decision on the Turitea Wind Farm Proposal – Extension of Time for Making Comments on the Draft Report

In accordance with the directions in the Memorandum from the Board, comments on the Draft Report and Decision are to be received by 5pm on 12 May 2011&lt;/em&gt;


The idea that they could build a windfarm so close to town, on a &lt;b&gt;fault line&lt;/b&gt;, is just unbelievable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Paul&#8217;s blog as linked above</p>
<p><em>Draft Report and Decision on the Turitea Wind Farm Proposal – Extension of Time for Making Comments on the Draft Report</p>
<p>In accordance with the directions in the Memorandum from the Board, comments on the Draft Report and Decision are to be received by 5pm on 12 May 2011</em></p>
<p>The idea that they could build a windfarm so close to town, on a <b>fault line</b>, is just unbelievable.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/02/submission-to-2050-emissions-target-consultation/comment-page-1/#comment-43706</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 04:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,
I hadn&#039;t realised that the windfarm had been approved for Palmerston North.
This is truly terrible news.

These bastards will pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,<br />
I hadn&#8217;t realised that the windfarm had been approved for Palmerston North.<br />
This is truly terrible news.</p>
<p>These bastards will pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/02/submission-to-2050-emissions-target-consultation/comment-page-1/#comment-43702</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 03:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep up the good work. This is what the ETS means for Palmerston North
www.palmerston-north.info</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep up the good work. This is what the ETS means for Palmerston North<br />
<a href="http://www.palmerston-north.info" rel="nofollow">http://www.palmerston-north.info</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robin Pittwood</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/02/submission-to-2050-emissions-target-consultation/comment-page-1/#comment-43507</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Pittwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 08:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made a post at my blog (kiwithinker) of the ETS question:
http://www.kiwithinker.com/2011/03/carbon-tax-survey-result-new-zealand/

And Family First have a pdf of the whole survey at: http://www.familyfirst.org.nz/family_issues_survey_2011

Cheers
Robin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made a post at my blog (kiwithinker) of the ETS question:<br />
<a href="http://www.kiwithinker.com/2011/03/carbon-tax-survey-result-new-zealand/" rel="nofollow">http://www.kiwithinker.com/2011/03/carbon-tax-survey-result-new-zealand/</a></p>
<p>And Family First have a pdf of the whole survey at: <a href="http://www.familyfirst.org.nz/family_issues_survey_2011" rel="nofollow">http://www.familyfirst.org.nz/family_issues_survey_2011</a></p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Robin</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Treadgold</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/02/submission-to-2050-emissions-target-consultation/comment-page-1/#comment-43505</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Treadgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 08:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! That&#039;s a substantial sample. Thanks, Robin.

Where can we see that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! That&#8217;s a substantial sample. Thanks, Robin.</p>
<p>Where can we see that?</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Pittwood</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/02/submission-to-2050-emissions-target-consultation/comment-page-1/#comment-43503</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Pittwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 08:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Richard,

There was a recent survey by Family First.  It was of course nearly all about family/moral issues, but there was one question about our ETS.

They asked should our ETS be scrapped.
53% strongly agreed and 14% agreed.
19% were neutral or unsure.
10% strongly disagreed and 4% disagreed.
The survey received about 2400 responses.

Maybe Nick Smith needs to know that the ETS is only supported by 14% of his voters.
67% don&#039;t want it!

Cheers
Robin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Richard,</p>
<p>There was a recent survey by Family First.  It was of course nearly all about family/moral issues, but there was one question about our ETS.</p>
<p>They asked should our ETS be scrapped.<br />
53% strongly agreed and 14% agreed.<br />
19% were neutral or unsure.<br />
10% strongly disagreed and 4% disagreed.<br />
The survey received about 2400 responses.</p>
<p>Maybe Nick Smith needs to know that the ETS is only supported by 14% of his voters.<br />
67% don&#8217;t want it!</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Robin</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/02/submission-to-2050-emissions-target-consultation/comment-page-1/#comment-43480</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 01:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happens if the results of the following experiment throw a spanner in the man-made climate change works? Will the ETS be repealed?

CLOUD – Cosmics Leaving OUtdoor Droplets

Cosmic rays and cloud formation

CLOUD is an experiment that uses a cloud chamber to study the possible link between galactic cosmic rays and cloud formation. Based at the Proton Synchrotron at CERN, this is the first time a high-energy physics accelerator has been used to study atmospheric and climate science; the results could greatly modify our understanding of clouds and climate.

Cosmic rays are charged particles that bombard the Earth&#039;s atmosphere from outer space. Studies suggest they may have an influence on the amount of cloud cover through the formation of new aerosols (tiny particles suspended in the air that seed cloud droplets). This is supported by satellite measurements, which show a possible correlation between cosmic-ray intensity and the amount of low cloud cover. Clouds exert a strong influence on the Earth’s energy balance; changes of only a few per cent have an important effect on the climate. Understanding the underlying microphysics in controlled laboratory conditions is a key to unravelling the connection between cosmic rays and clouds.

http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/research/CLOUD-en.html

See also: Cosmic Rays and Climate, Jasper Kirkby, 2008.

http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1098138/files/phep-2008-005.pdf?version=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens if the results of the following experiment throw a spanner in the man-made climate change works? Will the ETS be repealed?</p>
<p>CLOUD – Cosmics Leaving OUtdoor Droplets</p>
<p>Cosmic rays and cloud formation</p>
<p>CLOUD is an experiment that uses a cloud chamber to study the possible link between galactic cosmic rays and cloud formation. Based at the Proton Synchrotron at CERN, this is the first time a high-energy physics accelerator has been used to study atmospheric and climate science; the results could greatly modify our understanding of clouds and climate.</p>
<p>Cosmic rays are charged particles that bombard the Earth&#8217;s atmosphere from outer space. Studies suggest they may have an influence on the amount of cloud cover through the formation of new aerosols (tiny particles suspended in the air that seed cloud droplets). This is supported by satellite measurements, which show a possible correlation between cosmic-ray intensity and the amount of low cloud cover. Clouds exert a strong influence on the Earth’s energy balance; changes of only a few per cent have an important effect on the climate. Understanding the underlying microphysics in controlled laboratory conditions is a key to unravelling the connection between cosmic rays and clouds.</p>
<p><a href="http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/research/CLOUD-en.html" rel="nofollow">http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/research/CLOUD-en.html</a></p>
<p>See also: Cosmic Rays and Climate, Jasper Kirkby, 2008.</p>
<p><a href="http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1098138/files/phep-2008-005.pdf?version=1" rel="nofollow">http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1098138/files/phep-2008-005.pdf?version=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/02/submission-to-2050-emissions-target-consultation/comment-page-1/#comment-43441</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 20:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to hear that you survived the quake Mike. It&#039;s been a long road touching base with everyone you know.

You are right about priorities. If you polled the average person in Christchurch&#039;s Eastern Suburbs about climate change right now, you would get some very strange looks I suspect</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to hear that you survived the quake Mike. It&#8217;s been a long road touching base with everyone you know.</p>
<p>You are right about priorities. If you polled the average person in Christchurch&#8217;s Eastern Suburbs about climate change right now, you would get some very strange looks I suspect</p>
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