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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/04/happy-easter-break/comment-page-1/#comment-50797</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 03:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting presentation from Prof Aynsley Kellow (2008)

&lt;b&gt;All in a good cause:
Framing science for public policy&lt;/b&gt;

I was interested in this quotation on the use of the word &quot;denier&quot;, in which Prof Kellow compares the use of this with &quot;Godwin&#039;s Law&quot;

Anyone want to tell Prof Gluckman?

&lt;em&gt;
One of the means commonly employed is the use of
the term ‘denier’, a rhetorically powerful signifier quite
deliberately first used (as far as I can tell) by a couple
of defenders of the faith reviewing Bjorn Lomborg’s The
Sceptical Environmentalist for Nature. It was used quite
deliberately by Jeff Harvey and Stuart Pimm to liken
Lomborg to a holocaust denier for daring to question the
highly questionable estimates of the number of species
extinctions that supposedly occur every year.
The computer-based estimates of species extinction
range all the way from a few tens of thousands to
50-100,000 (if you can believe Greenpeace). The actual
documented number accepted by the International
Union for the Conservation of Nature is around 800 over
the 500 years for which we have records.
While I’m prepared to accept we have missed more
than a few, and I’m a passionate advocate for the conservation
of charismatic megafauna (such as tigers and
orangutans), I think the use of the term ‘denier’ tells us
more about the person using it than about the target. I
think the use of it amounts to an example of Godwins’s
Law of Internet Discussions, which holds that eventually
someone will liken someone else to Hitler, at which
point rational debate is over. (Implicitly, the person using
it loses).
Unfortunately, the use of the term is rife in debates
over climate change, where those on one side seem finally
to have cottoned on to the point that scepticism in science
is actually a good thing, and it was even used last
year by the now minister responsible.
If it has served any purpose, this use of illiberal name
calling serves to remind us of what is needed to ensure
that noble cause corruption does not afflict the science
informing public policy.
&lt;/em&gt;

http://www.ipa.org.au/library/publication/1210830063_document_aynsley_kellow_brisbane_club_speech.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting presentation from Prof Aynsley Kellow (2008)</p>
<p><b>All in a good cause:<br />
Framing science for public policy</b></p>
<p>I was interested in this quotation on the use of the word &#8220;denier&#8221;, in which Prof Kellow compares the use of this with &#8220;Godwin&#8217;s Law&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyone want to tell Prof Gluckman?</p>
<p><em><br />
One of the means commonly employed is the use of<br />
the term ‘denier’, a rhetorically powerful signifier quite<br />
deliberately first used (as far as I can tell) by a couple<br />
of defenders of the faith reviewing Bjorn Lomborg’s The<br />
Sceptical Environmentalist for Nature. It was used quite<br />
deliberately by Jeff Harvey and Stuart Pimm to liken<br />
Lomborg to a holocaust denier for daring to question the<br />
highly questionable estimates of the number of species<br />
extinctions that supposedly occur every year.<br />
The computer-based estimates of species extinction<br />
range all the way from a few tens of thousands to<br />
50-100,000 (if you can believe Greenpeace). The actual<br />
documented number accepted by the International<br />
Union for the Conservation of Nature is around 800 over<br />
the 500 years for which we have records.<br />
While I’m prepared to accept we have missed more<br />
than a few, and I’m a passionate advocate for the conservation<br />
of charismatic megafauna (such as tigers and<br />
orangutans), I think the use of the term ‘denier’ tells us<br />
more about the person using it than about the target. I<br />
think the use of it amounts to an example of Godwins’s<br />
Law of Internet Discussions, which holds that eventually<br />
someone will liken someone else to Hitler, at which<br />
point rational debate is over. (Implicitly, the person using<br />
it loses).<br />
Unfortunately, the use of the term is rife in debates<br />
over climate change, where those on one side seem finally<br />
to have cottoned on to the point that scepticism in science<br />
is actually a good thing, and it was even used last<br />
year by the now minister responsible.<br />
If it has served any purpose, this use of illiberal name<br />
calling serves to remind us of what is needed to ensure<br />
that noble cause corruption does not afflict the science<br />
informing public policy.<br />
</em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ipa.org.au/library/publication/1210830063_document_aynsley_kellow_brisbane_club_speech.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ipa.org.au/library/publication/1210830063_document_aynsley_kellow_brisbane_club_speech.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/04/happy-easter-break/comment-page-1/#comment-50352</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 01:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biased BBC on the &quot;conspiracy&quot; 
http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/2010/03/conspiracy.html

and here

http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/2010/03/conspiracy-part2.html


This has all spun off the story about GLOBE published by the Telegraph which Richard North writes on so eloquently here

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2011/04/hail-msm.html

So here is your one-stop shop for all those useful idiots who howl with laughter at all your conspiracy theories.

Fraud and corruption on a massive scale might be a better description.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biased BBC on the &#8220;conspiracy&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/2010/03/conspiracy.html" rel="nofollow">http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/2010/03/conspiracy.html</a></p>
<p>and here</p>
<p><a href="http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/2010/03/conspiracy-part2.html" rel="nofollow">http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/2010/03/conspiracy-part2.html</a></p>
<p>This has all spun off the story about GLOBE published by the Telegraph which Richard North writes on so eloquently here</p>
<p><a href="http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2011/04/hail-msm.html" rel="nofollow">http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2011/04/hail-msm.html</a></p>
<p>So here is your one-stop shop for all those useful idiots who howl with laughter at all your conspiracy theories.</p>
<p>Fraud and corruption on a massive scale might be a better description.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/04/happy-easter-break/comment-page-1/#comment-50154</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 10:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Science is settled, yeah right

http://jtcontracelsum.blogspot.com/2011/04/another-convert-to-scepticism.html

Dr David Evans talks( video)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Science is settled, yeah right</p>
<p><a href="http://jtcontracelsum.blogspot.com/2011/04/another-convert-to-scepticism.html" rel="nofollow">http://jtcontracelsum.blogspot.com/2011/04/another-convert-to-scepticism.html</a></p>
<p>Dr David Evans talks( video)</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/04/happy-easter-break/comment-page-1/#comment-50146</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 09:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was supposed to be a response to this:

A Police spokesman said the arrest of skipper &lt;b&gt;Elvis Teddy&lt;/b&gt; came after a blatant breach of safety by the boat.

My markup got a bit lost. 

I am sure Easter Bunny will sort it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was supposed to be a response to this:</p>
<p>A Police spokesman said the arrest of skipper <b>Elvis Teddy</b> came after a blatant breach of safety by the boat.</p>
<p>My markup got a bit lost. </p>
<p>I am sure Easter Bunny will sort it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/04/happy-easter-break/comment-page-1/#comment-50144</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EXCLUSIVE EASTER SPECIAL

I have been shown pictures of the (in)famous Elvis Teddy, saviour of our planet and the Biggest Baddest Bear to stop the tracks of Big Oil polluting our beautiful coastline and spoiling our Clean Green Image (tm)


Here:

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/34000/Elvis-Teddy-Bear-34460.jpg

Doesn&#039;t it make your heart swell with pride?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EXCLUSIVE EASTER SPECIAL</p>
<p>I have been shown pictures of the (in)famous Elvis Teddy, saviour of our planet and the Biggest Baddest Bear to stop the tracks of Big Oil polluting our beautiful coastline and spoiling our Clean Green Image &#8482;</p>
<p>Here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/34000/Elvis-Teddy-Bear-34460.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/34000/Elvis-Teddy-Bear-34460.jpg</a></p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t it make your heart swell with pride?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/04/happy-easter-break/comment-page-1/#comment-50142</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s been a bit more on the Greenpeace/iwi protest against seismic surveying offshore NZ

&lt;em&gt;Protests over the Brazilian oil giant Petrobras&#039;s ship heated up when police from a patrolling navy boat boarded San Pietro, which is owned by local iwi.

A Police spokesman said the arrest of skipper &lt;b&lt;Elvis Teddy came after a blatant breach of safety by the boat.

&quot;This followed repeated warnings to the boat about activity it was engaged in that was causing grave concerns to the master of the Ocean Explorer,&quot; he said.

Police could not go into further detail of what activity was being carried out by the protest vessel or what the skipper would be charged with.

San Pietro was being sailed by the remaining crew on board.

The boat is owned by East Coast iwi Te Whanau a Apanui and is part of the flotilla that includes Greenpeace.

In a statement, Greenpeace defended the actions of the San Pietro crew.

&quot;The crew of te Whanau a Apanui’s fishing boat San Pietro went fishing at a safe distance in front of the deep sea oil survey ship, Orient Explorer.&quot;

Whanau a Apanui tribal leader Rikirangi Gage radioed the Captain of the Orient Explorer and said he was not welcome in the iwi&#039;s waters. &lt;/em&gt;

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4921260/Police-make-arrest-on-protest-ship

Such a great day for NZ.
Big high fives for Elvis Teddy, slayer of the evil Oil Dragons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s been a bit more on the Greenpeace/iwi protest against seismic surveying offshore NZ</p>
<p><em>Protests over the Brazilian oil giant Petrobras&#8217;s ship heated up when police from a patrolling navy boat boarded San Pietro, which is owned by local iwi.</p>
<p>A Police spokesman said the arrest of skipper &lt;b&lt;Elvis Teddy came after a blatant breach of safety by the boat.</p>
<p>&#8220;This followed repeated warnings to the boat about activity it was engaged in that was causing grave concerns to the master of the Ocean Explorer,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>Police could not go into further detail of what activity was being carried out by the protest vessel or what the skipper would be charged with.</p>
<p>San Pietro was being sailed by the remaining crew on board.</p>
<p>The boat is owned by East Coast iwi Te Whanau a Apanui and is part of the flotilla that includes Greenpeace.</p>
<p>In a statement, Greenpeace defended the actions of the San Pietro crew.</p>
<p>&#8220;The crew of te Whanau a Apanui’s fishing boat San Pietro went fishing at a safe distance in front of the deep sea oil survey ship, Orient Explorer.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whanau a Apanui tribal leader Rikirangi Gage radioed the Captain of the Orient Explorer and said he was not welcome in the iwi&#8217;s waters. </em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4921260/Police-make-arrest-on-protest-ship" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4921260/Police-make-arrest-on-protest-ship</a></p>
<p>Such a great day for NZ.<br />
Big high fives for Elvis Teddy, slayer of the evil Oil Dragons.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/04/happy-easter-break/comment-page-1/#comment-50126</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 03:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A 25 min video on the NZ ETS is available here

http://vimeo.com/20911553</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A 25 min video on the NZ ETS is available here</p>
<p><a href="http://vimeo.com/20911553" rel="nofollow">http://vimeo.com/20911553</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Jowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/04/happy-easter-break/comment-page-1/#comment-50051</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Jowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have a memorable Easter, Richard.  Be safe, be happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have a memorable Easter, Richard.  Be safe, be happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/04/happy-easter-break/comment-page-1/#comment-49981</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 02:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to highlight the main headings so here they are again because I think it is important to have a good handle on each.

&lt;strong&gt;Infrared (IR)&lt;/strong&gt; 

&lt;strong&gt;Heat:&lt;/strong&gt; 

&lt;strong&gt;Heating:&lt;/strong&gt; 

&lt;strong&gt;    * Near-infrared (NIR),&lt;/strong&gt; 
 &lt;strong&gt;   * Short-wavelength infrared (SWIR),&lt;/strong&gt; 
&lt;strong&gt;    * Mid-wavelength infrared (MWIR),&lt;/strong&gt; 
 &lt;strong&gt;   * Long-wavelength infrared (LWIR),&lt;/strong&gt; 
&lt;strong&gt;    * Far infrared (FIR)&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to highlight the main headings so here they are again because I think it is important to have a good handle on each.</p>
<p><strong>Infrared (IR)</strong> </p>
<p><strong>Heat:</strong> </p>
<p><strong>Heating:</strong> </p>
<p><strong>    * Near-infrared (NIR),</strong><br />
 <strong>   * Short-wavelength infrared (SWIR),</strong><br />
<strong>    * Mid-wavelength infrared (MWIR),</strong><br />
 <strong>   * Long-wavelength infrared (LWIR),</strong><br />
<strong>    * Far infrared (FIR)</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/04/happy-easter-break/comment-page-1/#comment-49975</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 02:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Animation of vibrational modes of CO2

http://science.widener.edu/svb/ftir/ir_co2.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Animation of vibrational modes of CO2</p>
<p><a href="http://science.widener.edu/svb/ftir/ir_co2.html" rel="nofollow">http://science.widener.edu/svb/ftir/ir_co2.html</a></p>
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