Climate Conversation Group

Taking the heat out of global warming

For the first time in history, people shouting “the end is nigh” are somehow
the sane ones, while those of us who say it is not are now the lunatics.

  • rss
  • Home
  • Open threads
    • Climate – how to use open threads
      • Meteorology
      • Global warming
      • Climate science
        • Climate Models
        • Papers
        • Atmosphere
        • Temperature records
        • Energy and fuel
        • Solar
        • Ocean heat content
        • Radiation, radiative imbalance
        • Sea levels
        • Ocean acidification
        • Polar regions, glaciers and ice
      • Regions
        • Europe
        • Asia
        • South America
        • Africa
        • Australia
        • UK
        • USA
        • Pacific
        • New Zealand
      • News
      • Controversy and scandal
        • Skeptical Science
      • Disproving AGW
      • Economics
    • Politics
      • ETS and carbon taxes
    • UN
      • IPCC organisation
      • IPCC politics
      • IPCC science
      • NIPCC
  • Opinion polls
    • SckSckSck
    • Your view of CO2
    • Collective noun for icebergs
    • Stop the ETS
  • Climate of Freedom Tour
  • Files
    • Climate Realists
      • Newsletter #17 6 May 2010
      • Newsletter #16 28 Apr 2010
      • Newsletter #6 11 Feb 2010
      • Newsletter #4 2011
    • News releases
      • February 8, 2010
      • December 20, 2010
    • Wind turbine failures
  • About

Some questions for the BoM’s FOI executive

Guest author | May 15, 2011

– by Barry Brill, Chairman of the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition

Warwick Hughes’ request under the Australian Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), has been declined by the Australian Bureau of Meteorology (BoM) on the grounds that it might divulge information supplied “under an obligation of confidentiality” by a foreign Government to the Australian Federal Government.

The Court ruling which established this exemption to the FOIA dealt with a case involving intelligence-sharing with the Australian Security Intelligence Office (ASIO). In contrast, Mr Hughes’ case dealt with old weather records.

Several questions arise

1. Did NIWA impose an obligation of confidentiality on the Bureau?

It seems clear that neither party even thought about confidentiality until the request was made. The contract between NIWA and the BoM, whether written or oral, contained no confidentiality clause. But the BoM says that they were “peer-reviewing” and allege that this practice is always conducted in confidence.

In a vacuum, the words “peer review” mean very little. It can happen any time a professional person reads any paper authored by a co-professional. But the expression has also become a term d’art describing the specific situation where a journal editor seeks anonymous and independent advice regarding a scientific paper submitted for publication. In this particular case, there is a convention that the review opinions (not the paper submitted) are treated as confidential.

As argued in this post, the BoM activity did not fall within the term d’art. If a confidentiality clause is to be implied in the NIWA/BoM contract, it must rest on some other justification.

2. Can public information become private, under the FOIA?

According to the Schedule of Documents, over 90% of the information provided by NIWA comprised temperature records which have long been in the public domain. They may be downloaded by anyone, free of charge, from New Zealand’s Climate Database.

The purpose of the FOI Act is to promote transparency and to improve accountability of Government servants. Surely the Act could not have the effect of converting existing public data into opaque documents which may not be disclosed!

3. Can the confidential bits be redacted?

NIWA is a party to only 44 of the 159 scheduled documents, including those which provide public temperature data. Most documents are concerned with two series of tests applied to the data by the Bureau, using its own software and models, which do not appear to be reliant in any way on NIWA inputs (apart from public data).

If the wording of any document may be thought to divulge some exempt information, the purposes of the FOIA would be best served by disclosure of all documents after redacting the confidential words or figures.

4. Why not release non-confidential documents?

At least 10 media-related documents in the Schedule clearly have no confidentiality obligations imposed by NIWA.

If peer-review is the justification for non-disclosure, it cannot apply to the 19 documents dated after the ‘peer-reviewed-paper’ was published on 15 December 2010.

5. Is secrecy by climate scientists in the public interest?

In its letter refusing disclosure, the BoM cites s 47C of the FOIA which allows “deliberative” documents to be suppressed if disclosure would be “against the public interest”.

It then argues that disclosure would prevent “free and frank” exchanges between climate scientists; cause Bureau officers to refuse to participate; discourage availability of both internal and external experts, and destroy relations with other research agencies.

What shrinking violets these climate scientists are! Their fear of disclosing data and/or opinions to ‘outsiders’ verges on paranoia.

Climate scientists’ taste for secrecy is a well-known, worldwide phenomenon, highlighted by the release of emails from the University of East Anglia’s CRU in 2009. But almost all the diverse commentary on that event agreed on one point — the secrecy was regrettable and should be discontinued.

The UK House of Commons Select Committee made this recommendation:

Climate science is a matter of great importance and the quality of the science should be irreproachable. We therefore consider that climate scientists should take steps to make available all the data that support their work (including raw data) and full methodological workings (including the computer code). Had both been available, many of the problems at the University of East Anglia could have been avoided.

Categories
General
Tags
Barry Brill, BOM, Climate research, Climate science, NIWA, NZ temperature records
Comments rss
Comments rss
Trackback
Trackback

« Lindzen dismisses Hansen’s defamations Briefly in hospital »

6 Responses to “Some questions for the BoM’s FOI executive”

  1. Mike Jowsey says:
    May 17, 2011 at 1:59 am

    Jo Nova links to your BoM articles (Point number 3):

    http://joannenova.com.au/2011/05/news-thread-may-15/comment-page-2/#comment-305289

    Reply
  2. Mike Jowsey says:
    May 17, 2011 at 2:00 am

    oops = sorry, my bad,,, here’s the right link:
    http://joannenova.com.au/2011/05/news-thread-may-15/

    Reply
  3. Roger Gower says:
    May 19, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    The convention for peer review has also been one of anonymity wherein the author is not the party contracting the peer reviewer, in order to avoid the obvious conflict of interest. Generally the peer review is organised by an editorial group/committee/board independent of the author.

    The request by NIWA to have BoM review its work as a stated “Peer Review” would appear to breach every tenet of the peer review convention.

    Jo Nova’s column reveals the extensive negotiations and resubmissions made by NIWA to BoM to their original submission. It would be very difficult to say the original statements made by NIWA were now confirmed by the BoM – such has been the apparent dissimulation and negotiations undertaken subsequently.

    Reply
  4. Warwick Hughes says:
    May 21, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    Roger – you say – “Jo Nova’s column reveals the extensive negotiations and resubmissions made by NIWA to BoM to their original submission.”
    Where is this material ? I have been thru the above link to JoNova but see nothing like you describe.

    Reply
  5. Shub says:
    May 22, 2011 at 5:10 am

    Climategoat: The final nail in the coffin of anthropogenic CRU hacking

    CRU’s playing the same tricks as well.

    Reply
    • Richard C (NZ) says:
      May 22, 2011 at 11:12 pm

      Looks like an (e)scapegoat.

      Reply

Leave a Reply

Click here to cancel reply.

buy FastProof now

          • Climate Conversation Group •
   • more than 1,400,000 visits a year
   • over 7,600,000 hits a year
               — join the Conversation —

Hot off the press

  • Wild Bill McKibben: “Outlaws of physics”
  • Relationship between greenhouse gases and global temperature
  • Sun sets on solar subsidies
  • Strike three for TVNZ
  • Climate delegates in dark
  • We won’t be dissuaded from our global goal
  • Measure, for measures are better
  • Warmists finally admit temperature is not warming
  • The best way to post comments
  • Climate doctrine crushed
  • It’s climate denial all right
  • Anthropogenic ocean heating Part 1
  • No evidence no reason for complacency
  • Strike two for TVNZ
  • GWPF, RS talk climate change
  • Painting wanting rebuttal
  • Emotional knowledge
  • Global warming less than we thought
  • Climate porkies from TV One
  • Renwick doesn’t blame AGW for drought

Latest comments

  • Richard C (NZ) on Meteorology
  • Richard C (NZ) on Temperature records
  • Richard C (NZ) on Disproving AGW
  • Richard C (NZ) on Disproving AGW
  • Richard C (NZ) on Disproving AGW
  • Richard C (NZ) on Climate Models
  • Richard C (NZ) on Disproving AGW
  • Richard Treadgold on Disproving AGW
  • Richard C (NZ) on Disproving AGW
  • Richard Treadgold on Disproving AGW
  • Richard C (NZ) on Disproving AGW
  • Richard C (NZ) on Disproving AGW
  • Andy on Wild Bill McKibben: “Outlaws of physics”
  • Andy on Wild Bill McKibben: “Outlaws of physics”
  • Andy on UK
  • Mike Jowsey on Wild Bill McKibben: “Outlaws of physics”
  • Andy on Wild Bill McKibben: “Outlaws of physics”
  • Richard Treadgold on Wild Bill McKibben: “Outlaws of physics”
  • Richard Treadgold on Wild Bill McKibben: “Outlaws of physics”
  • Andy on Wild Bill McKibben: “Outlaws of physics”

Chuck a buck

If you like our work, throw us a bone, friend. The smallest amount is huge.
Thank you!


Click to get your own widget

Tags

Activists AGW Air temperature Air temperature Alarm Alternative energy Australia Carbon dioxide Carbon Sense Carbon trading CCG blog Christopher Monckton Climate Conversation Group Climate research Climate science Court action Data quality Disproving AGW Economics Energy supply Environment ETS General Global temperature Global warming Hot Topic IPCC Journalism New Zealand NIWA NIWAgate NZCSC NZ Herald NZ temperature records Oceans Politics Royal Society Sceptics Science bias Scientists Sea levels United Nations USA Watts Up With That What is the evidence

Admin

  • Log in
  • Entries RSS
  • Comments RSS
  • WordPress.org

Climate change blogroll

  • Bishop Hill
  • Carbon Sense Coalition
  • Climate Audit—a science blog
  • Climate Debate Daily
  • Climate Depot
  • Climate Etc. (Judith Curry)
  • Climate Realists
  • Global warming at a glance
  • Jo Nova
  • Kiwi Thinker
  • No Tricks Zone
  • NZ Climate Science Coalition
  • Science of Doom
  • Watts Up With That

 

May 2011
M T W T F S S
« Apr   Jun »
 1
2345678
9101112131415
16171819202122
23242526272829
3031  

Previous posts

Oil prices

Reality mocks models

models v. reality
Latest climate models v. reality

As the models continue to leave actual temperature readings in their dust, sizeable warming halted about 1995 — although it might resume at any time. It must hasten to have any hope of catching up with the predictions.

If you claim warming continues, we want evidence of continued warming — eminently reasonable. Making us wait for 17 years for that evidence invites us to doubt you.

Claiming that warming hasn't stopped is the same as claiming it has — and both are ridiculous, for nobody knows the future. The best you can do is describe the past.

Click graph for larger version.

Hot spot fails reality check

IPCC fingerprint
GHG fingerprint missing

About 2000, climate scientists predicted, and the IPCC agreed, that, if the global temperature was strongly influenced by carbon dioxide (or GHG generally), there'd be a unique "fingerprint" publicising that influence high over the tropics — a tropospheric hot spot. So they started looking for it — and they haven't given up.

Click graph for larger version.

 

rss Comments rss valid xhtml 1.1 design by jide powered by Wordpress get firefox