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	<description>Taking the heat out of global warming</description>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Chapman</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/05/the-economist-adds-earth-moving/comment-page-1/#comment-58220</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 15:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stanley,

There is also a ray of hope in the very same edition of the Economist (May 28th 2011).  In the special report on Australia (p.13), paragraph four begins &#039;And then there is the climate.  No one knows whether it is really changing or, if so, whether man is playing a part.  Australia has more than its share of climate-change sceptics, and they can point to the many droughts, cyclones and floods that have afflicted the country for centuries&#039;.

I assume that this was written by somebody paid to write about the real Australia, who doesn&#039;t fully grasp the Economist&#039;s party line on AGW.  Anyway, a bit of encouragement beside the rest of the anthropocene nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stanley,</p>
<p>There is also a ray of hope in the very same edition of the Economist (May 28th 2011).  In the special report on Australia (p.13), paragraph four begins &#8216;And then there is the climate.  No one knows whether it is really changing or, if so, whether man is playing a part.  Australia has more than its share of climate-change sceptics, and they can point to the many droughts, cyclones and floods that have afflicted the country for centuries&#8217;.</p>
<p>I assume that this was written by somebody paid to write about the real Australia, who doesn&#8217;t fully grasp the Economist&#8217;s party line on AGW.  Anyway, a bit of encouragement beside the rest of the anthropocene nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Chapman</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/05/the-economist-adds-earth-moving/comment-page-1/#comment-58208</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 12:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stanley,

Like you, I&#039;ve been a reader of the Economist for decades.  Like you, I used to think highly of it.  And yes, about five years ago an Economist appeared with a cover which said &#039;The Heat Is On&#039;, with a picture of desert and cacti.  And that was the Economist going belly up on one of the most important issues of our time.  It is now truly feeble.  I was interested in what you had to say about the owner -- I didn&#039;t know that.  And Matt Ridley was obviously a great loss.  Do we know the names of the children who now pretend to be environmental journalists at the Economist?  The Economist, like the BBC, is totally hermetic when you try to look inside and comment on the stories and opinions expressed.  Letters don&#039;t seem to make any difference, which is why blogs like this are such an asset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stanley,</p>
<p>Like you, I&#8217;ve been a reader of the Economist for decades.  Like you, I used to think highly of it.  And yes, about five years ago an Economist appeared with a cover which said &#8216;The Heat Is On&#8217;, with a picture of desert and cacti.  And that was the Economist going belly up on one of the most important issues of our time.  It is now truly feeble.  I was interested in what you had to say about the owner &#8212; I didn&#8217;t know that.  And Matt Ridley was obviously a great loss.  Do we know the names of the children who now pretend to be environmental journalists at the Economist?  The Economist, like the BBC, is totally hermetic when you try to look inside and comment on the stories and opinions expressed.  Letters don&#8217;t seem to make any difference, which is why blogs like this are such an asset.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Jowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/05/the-economist-adds-earth-moving/comment-page-1/#comment-57497</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Jowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 05:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alarm alarm!  A person felt something?  Permission to panic Mr Mannerin&#039;??!!  It&#039;s global disruption!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alarm alarm!  A person felt something?  Permission to panic Mr Mannerin&#8217;??!!  It&#8217;s global disruption!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/05/the-economist-adds-earth-moving/comment-page-1/#comment-57423</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 00:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also covered at EURef

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2011/05/agenda-revealed.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also covered at EURef</p>
<p><a href="http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2011/05/agenda-revealed.html" rel="nofollow">http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2011/05/agenda-revealed.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bulaman</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/05/the-economist-adds-earth-moving/comment-page-1/#comment-57392</link>
		<dc:creator>Bulaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 20:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT Check out the Reuters news on Monday by Pete Harrison. Eurocrats are scared that traded carbon could  fall to zero if industry efficiency improves.. ooops!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT Check out the Reuters news on Monday by Pete Harrison. Eurocrats are scared that traded carbon could  fall to zero if industry efficiency improves.. ooops!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/05/the-economist-adds-earth-moving/comment-page-1/#comment-57383</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 19:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Mike, you&#039;ll love this &quot;Earth Moving&quot; story too.

&lt;b&gt;Shale gas drilling suspended after earthquake near Blackpool&lt;/b&gt;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/8549340/Shale-gas-drilling-suspended-after-earthquake-near-Blackpool.html

&lt;em&gt;The British Geological Survey (BGS) recorded a 1.5 magnitude quake last Friday which was felt by at least one person. The epicentre was within 1.2 miles of where gas exploration is taking place near Blackpool, Lancashire. &lt;/em&gt;

I posted the live interactive GeoNet link http://www.geonet.co.nz over at Bishop Hill just to show that 2&#039;s are like rain in NZ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Mike, you&#8217;ll love this &#8220;Earth Moving&#8221; story too.</p>
<p><b>Shale gas drilling suspended after earthquake near Blackpool</b></p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/8549340/Shale-gas-drilling-suspended-after-earthquake-near-Blackpool.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/8549340/Shale-gas-drilling-suspended-after-earthquake-near-Blackpool.html</a></p>
<p><em>The British Geological Survey (BGS) recorded a 1.5 magnitude quake last Friday which was felt by at least one person. The epicentre was within 1.2 miles of where gas exploration is taking place near Blackpool, Lancashire. </em></p>
<p>I posted the live interactive GeoNet link <a href="http://www.geonet.co.nz" rel="nofollow">http://www.geonet.co.nz</a> over at Bishop Hill just to show that 2&#8242;s are like rain in NZ</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Jowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/05/the-economist-adds-earth-moving/comment-page-1/#comment-57371</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Jowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;homeopathic quantities of a trace gas&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The best description I have ever heard.  Laugh out loud!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>homeopathic quantities of a trace gas</p></blockquote>
<p>The best description I have ever heard.  Laugh out loud!</p>
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		<title>By: Warwick Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/05/the-economist-adds-earth-moving/comment-page-1/#comment-57078</link>
		<dc:creator>Warwick Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 08:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember these same GNS people told you in mid Sept last year that it was &quot;textbook&quot; and &quot;fading&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember these same GNS people told you in mid Sept last year that it was &#8220;textbook&#8221; and &#8220;fading&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/05/the-economist-adds-earth-moving/comment-page-1/#comment-56996</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 21:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, you write,

&lt;em&gt;The people of Christchurch and Japan would be pleased indeed for us to control natural forces, but the deaths and widespread destruction they suffered are testament to the fact that we don’t control them&lt;/em&gt;

Indeed this is the case. We are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-earthquake/5076193/Big-earthquake-risk-put-at-23-per-cent&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;informed&lt;/a&gt; today that Christchurch has a 23% chance of a major earthquake in the next year. This is, of course, based on a computer model, so the jaded and cynical might not think much of these warnings.

We are told, however, that this information was released inadvertently via city councilor Sue Well&#039;s blog. How jolly fine of them to share this information with us mere taxpayers

So here we have a nearly 1/4 chance of an event in my city, that could cause widespread loss of life and property. This information was released &quot;by accident&quot;, and yet we are fed this daily propaganda about homeopathic quantities of a trace gas that will disrupt our climatic system.

A pox on them all, indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, you write,</p>
<p><em>The people of Christchurch and Japan would be pleased indeed for us to control natural forces, but the deaths and widespread destruction they suffered are testament to the fact that we don’t control them</em></p>
<p>Indeed this is the case. We are <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-earthquake/5076193/Big-earthquake-risk-put-at-23-per-cent" rel="nofollow">informed</a> today that Christchurch has a 23% chance of a major earthquake in the next year. This is, of course, based on a computer model, so the jaded and cynical might not think much of these warnings.</p>
<p>We are told, however, that this information was released inadvertently via city councilor Sue Well&#8217;s blog. How jolly fine of them to share this information with us mere taxpayers</p>
<p>So here we have a nearly 1/4 chance of an event in my city, that could cause widespread loss of life and property. This information was released &#8220;by accident&#8221;, and yet we are fed this daily propaganda about homeopathic quantities of a trace gas that will disrupt our climatic system.</p>
<p>A pox on them all, indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Treadgold</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/05/the-economist-adds-earth-moving/comment-page-1/#comment-56867</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Treadgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 03:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I see. It&#039;s a bit of both.

Thanks for the encouragement, my friend. Coming from you, it really means something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I see. It&#8217;s a bit of both.</p>
<p>Thanks for the encouragement, my friend. Coming from you, it really means something.</p>
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