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		<title>By: Mike Jowsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Jowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 21:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://clivebest.com/blog/?p=2208&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1990 IPCC predictions confront the data&lt;/a&gt;
Posted on June 9th, 2011 in Climate Change &#124;
The latest global temperature measurements are available for both satellite data [3] and for the Hadley CRU temperature data [2], so I thought it would be interesting to compare these with the predictions made in 1990 by the first  IPCC report.  There is now sufficient data to test whether the GCM modeling of greenhouse gases used by the IPCC really matches up to reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://clivebest.com/blog/?p=2208" rel="nofollow">1990 IPCC predictions confront the data</a><br />
Posted on June 9th, 2011 in Climate Change |<br />
The latest global temperature measurements are available for both satellite data [3] and for the Hadley CRU temperature data [2], so I thought it would be interesting to compare these with the predictions made in 1990 by the first  IPCC report.  There is now sufficient data to test whether the GCM modeling of greenhouse gases used by the IPCC really matches up to reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 08:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“The evidence of climate change continues to mount, climate models are becoming more sophisticated, and scientific knowledge of the climate is improving all the time,” says Dr David Wratt, NIWA’s General Manager Climate Change.

He would say that, wouldn&#039;t he (especially when justifying his HPCF)?

I suspect Martin Manning, Director, Climate Change, Victoria University would say that too (especially when research funding is at stake).

However, here&#039;s 7 key climate metrics that don&#039;t say that:-

Atmosphere

1) Water Vapour Levels – global data not published for over a decade, AGW prescribes an increase

Paper: Water vapor feedback is negative, not positive as assumed by IPCC alarmists 

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2011/03/paper-water-vapor-feedback-is-negative.html

Latest Water Vapor Evidence Confirms IPCC Climate Models Are Wrong, Global Warming Hypothesis Opposite of Reality

http://www.c3headlines.com/2011/04/latest-water-vapor-evidence-confirms-ipcc-climate-models-are-wrong-global-warming-hypothesis-opposit.html

2) Global Average Temperature – not increasing as prescribed by AGW

Figure 1. Observed temperatures are less than all IPCC projections. The observed temperatures are from the Climate Research Unit of the Hadley Center

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/orssengo1.jpg

Predictions Of Global Mean Temperatures &amp; IPCC Projections

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/04/25/predictions-of-global-mean-temperatures-ipcc-projections/

Temperature since Jan 2001 along with trends and IPCC projections for surface temperatures forced using the A1B scenario

3) Tropospheric Hot Spot – not observed as prescribed by AGW
The missing hotspot 

http://joannenova.com.au/2008/10/the-missing-hotspot/
The models are wrong (but only by 400%) 

http://joannenova.com.au/2010/08/the-models-are-wrong-but-only-by-400/

4) Backradiation Levels – not increasing as prescribed by AGW

Another IPCC Prediction Failure: Infrared Radiation That Warms Earth Is Doing Opposite of Model Predictions

http://www.c3headlines.com/2011/04/another-ipcc-prediction-failure-infrared-radiation-that-warms-earth-is-doing-opposite-of-model-predi.html

Ocean

5) Sea Surface Level – not accelerating as prescibed by AGW

Observed SSL vs predictions (featuring Dr James Hansen’s extreme outlier)

http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c0134899901c4970c-pi

Decelerating rate of sea level rise (2.66mm per year 2000 – 2010.74, 3.1mm per year 1993 – 2011.4 from raw data. IPCC required average for a 1m rise by 2100 is 10mm per year)

http://sealevel.colorado.edu/

21st Century: The Deceleration of Sea Level Increases

http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c015432341db7970c-pi

2011: Sea Levels Declining and Decelerating

http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c014e8854a924970d-pi

6) Sea Surface Temperature – not rising as prescibed by AGW (except North Atlantic)

Satellite-Era Sea Surface Temperature Versus IPCC Hindcast/Projections

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/04/19/satellite-era-sea-surface-temperature-versus-
ipcc-hindcastprojections-part-2/

7) Ocean Heat Content – not increasing (since 2004) as prescribed by AGW

The GISS divergence problem: Ocean Heat Content (featuring Dr James Hansen’s extremely model divergence from reality)

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/05/08/the-new-giss-divergence-problem-ocean-heat-content/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The evidence of climate change continues to mount, climate models are becoming more sophisticated, and scientific knowledge of the climate is improving all the time,” says Dr David Wratt, NIWA’s General Manager Climate Change.</p>
<p>He would say that, wouldn&#8217;t he (especially when justifying his HPCF)?</p>
<p>I suspect Martin Manning, Director, Climate Change, Victoria University would say that too (especially when research funding is at stake).</p>
<p>However, here&#8217;s 7 key climate metrics that don&#8217;t say that:-</p>
<p>Atmosphere</p>
<p>1) Water Vapour Levels – global data not published for over a decade, AGW prescribes an increase</p>
<p>Paper: Water vapor feedback is negative, not positive as assumed by IPCC alarmists </p>
<p><a href="http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2011/03/paper-water-vapor-feedback-is-negative.html" rel="nofollow">http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2011/03/paper-water-vapor-feedback-is-negative.html</a></p>
<p>Latest Water Vapor Evidence Confirms IPCC Climate Models Are Wrong, Global Warming Hypothesis Opposite of Reality</p>
<p><a href="http://www.c3headlines.com/2011/04/latest-water-vapor-evidence-confirms-ipcc-climate-models-are-wrong-global-warming-hypothesis-opposit.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.c3headlines.com/2011/04/latest-water-vapor-evidence-confirms-ipcc-climate-models-are-wrong-global-warming-hypothesis-opposit.html</a></p>
<p>2) Global Average Temperature – not increasing as prescribed by AGW</p>
<p>Figure 1. Observed temperatures are less than all IPCC projections. The observed temperatures are from the Climate Research Unit of the Hadley Center</p>
<p><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/orssengo1.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/orssengo1.jpg</a></p>
<p>Predictions Of Global Mean Temperatures &amp; IPCC Projections</p>
<p><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/04/25/predictions-of-global-mean-temperatures-ipcc-projections/" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/04/25/predictions-of-global-mean-temperatures-ipcc-projections/</a></p>
<p>Temperature since Jan 2001 along with trends and IPCC projections for surface temperatures forced using the A1B scenario</p>
<p>3) Tropospheric Hot Spot – not observed as prescribed by AGW<br />
The missing hotspot </p>
<p><a href="http://joannenova.com.au/2008/10/the-missing-hotspot/" rel="nofollow">http://joannenova.com.au/2008/10/the-missing-hotspot/</a><br />
The models are wrong (but only by 400%) </p>
<p><a href="http://joannenova.com.au/2010/08/the-models-are-wrong-but-only-by-400/" rel="nofollow">http://joannenova.com.au/2010/08/the-models-are-wrong-but-only-by-400/</a></p>
<p>4) Backradiation Levels – not increasing as prescribed by AGW</p>
<p>Another IPCC Prediction Failure: Infrared Radiation That Warms Earth Is Doing Opposite of Model Predictions</p>
<p><a href="http://www.c3headlines.com/2011/04/another-ipcc-prediction-failure-infrared-radiation-that-warms-earth-is-doing-opposite-of-model-predi.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.c3headlines.com/2011/04/another-ipcc-prediction-failure-infrared-radiation-that-warms-earth-is-doing-opposite-of-model-predi.html</a></p>
<p>Ocean</p>
<p>5) Sea Surface Level – not accelerating as prescibed by AGW</p>
<p>Observed SSL vs predictions (featuring Dr James Hansen’s extreme outlier)</p>
<p><a href="http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c0134899901c4970c-pi" rel="nofollow">http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c0134899901c4970c-pi</a></p>
<p>Decelerating rate of sea level rise (2.66mm per year 2000 – 2010.74, 3.1mm per year 1993 – 2011.4 from raw data. IPCC required average for a 1m rise by 2100 is 10mm per year)</p>
<p><a href="http://sealevel.colorado.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://sealevel.colorado.edu/</a></p>
<p>21st Century: The Deceleration of Sea Level Increases</p>
<p><a href="http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c015432341db7970c-pi" rel="nofollow">http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c015432341db7970c-pi</a></p>
<p>2011: Sea Levels Declining and Decelerating</p>
<p><a href="http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c014e8854a924970d-pi" rel="nofollow">http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c014e8854a924970d-pi</a></p>
<p>6) Sea Surface Temperature – not rising as prescibed by AGW (except North Atlantic)</p>
<p>Satellite-Era Sea Surface Temperature Versus IPCC Hindcast/Projections</p>
<p><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/04/19/satellite-era-sea-surface-temperature-versus-" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/04/19/satellite-era-sea-surface-temperature-versus-</a><br />
ipcc-hindcastprojections-part-2/</p>
<p>7) Ocean Heat Content – not increasing (since 2004) as prescribed by AGW</p>
<p>The GISS divergence problem: Ocean Heat Content (featuring Dr James Hansen’s extremely model divergence from reality)</p>
<p><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/05/08/the-new-giss-divergence-problem-ocean-heat-content/" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/05/08/the-new-giss-divergence-problem-ocean-heat-content/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bulaman</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/06/global-warming-not-for-kiwis/comment-page-1/#comment-58810</link>
		<dc:creator>Bulaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 23:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

In the land of unintended consequences (or the real world) we get this little gem from Reuters and the Guardian. Seems if industry impliments energy efficiency measures they may not need carbon credits collapsing the price... So forest landowners et al can wait until this joyful day arrives and bulldoze as much as he can in a year and repay the liability with zero cost EU units.. Just love it when a plan comes together!!


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/30/us-eu-energy-climate-idUSTRE74T23C20110530

 

Also the Guardian

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jun/01/world-bank-failing-carbon-markets</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>In the land of unintended consequences (or the real world) we get this little gem from Reuters and the Guardian. Seems if industry impliments energy efficiency measures they may not need carbon credits collapsing the price&#8230; So forest landowners et al can wait until this joyful day arrives and bulldoze as much as he can in a year and repay the liability with zero cost EU units.. Just love it when a plan comes together!!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/30/us-eu-energy-climate-idUSTRE74T23C20110530" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/30/us-eu-energy-climate-idUSTRE74T23C20110530</a></p>
<p>Also the Guardian</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jun/01/world-bank-failing-carbon-markets" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jun/01/world-bank-failing-carbon-markets</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Treadgold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Treadgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 22:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 11:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I forgot the Act party - how many of the other pollies would be able to look an Act member in the eye and admit that Act, and Rodney Hyde, were right all the time?
Can&#039;t see that happening, can you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I forgot the Act party &#8211; how many of the other pollies would be able to look an Act member in the eye and admit that Act, and Rodney Hyde, were right all the time?<br />
Can&#8217;t see that happening, can you?</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 11:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,
It&#039;s very difficult, if not impossible for Alpha-type people ever to admit they were wrong, and almost all pollies are Alpha types, which is why we will not be seeing any great &#039;Aha&#039; moments of the &#039;My God, I wuz wrong&#039; type anytime soon.  An Alpha person&#039;s role is stand at the front, beat their chests and shout out how great their insight and recieved wisdom is.
My guess, and I emphasise the word &#039; guess&#039;, is that there will be a very gradual climbdown wherein most of the more ardent supporters of the warming madness will tip-toe quietly away from it and in later years will expunge their championing of a mad cause from the records and from their own memories. 
I can just about hear the rheumy old voices in the Cosmopolitan or the Workingman&#039;s Clubs in a few years&#039; time... 
&quot;Me... Mate your&#039;e bloody joking!  What sort of idiot do you take me for?  Nah, I aways said the whole thing was a crock...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,<br />
It&#8217;s very difficult, if not impossible for Alpha-type people ever to admit they were wrong, and almost all pollies are Alpha types, which is why we will not be seeing any great &#8216;Aha&#8217; moments of the &#8216;My God, I wuz wrong&#8217; type anytime soon.  An Alpha person&#8217;s role is stand at the front, beat their chests and shout out how great their insight and recieved wisdom is.<br />
My guess, and I emphasise the word &#8216; guess&#8217;, is that there will be a very gradual climbdown wherein most of the more ardent supporters of the warming madness will tip-toe quietly away from it and in later years will expunge their championing of a mad cause from the records and from their own memories.<br />
I can just about hear the rheumy old voices in the Cosmopolitan or the Workingman&#8217;s Clubs in a few years&#8217; time&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Me&#8230; Mate your&#8217;e bloody joking!  What sort of idiot do you take me for?  Nah, I aways said the whole thing was a crock&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: val majkus</title>
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		<dc:creator>val majkus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 08:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta keep those people working
http://catallaxyfiles.com/2011/06/08/the-climate-change-department-12-months-ago/
A fascinating comment by the maverick economic commentor Martin Feil.

The Australian government’s Department of Climate Change is very large and top heavy. There are four deputy secretaries and 13 first assistant secretaries on its organisation chart including a first assistant secretary (Barry Sterland) responsible for an Emissions Trading Division. Many much larger and older government departments can’t match that management structure.

It won’t be easy to dig out the roots of the ETS but what’s the alternative? The government can’t pass the legislation now and has walked away from it. It is difficult to believe they will risk another tilt of the same financial magnitude and political risk.  

It would be pathetic to simply leave in place the government infrastructure (both federal and state) that was premised on the mistaken assumption that an emissions trading system was a fait accompli. Some billions of dollars have already been spent on jumping the gun. It is essential that there be some transparency in government to demonstrate that initiatives have been taken to stop the financial expenditure until such time as a mechanism is agreed in relation to the reduction of carbon emissions.
AMEN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta keep those people working<br />
<a href="http://catallaxyfiles.com/2011/06/08/the-climate-change-department-12-months-ago/" rel="nofollow">http://catallaxyfiles.com/2011/06/08/the-climate-change-department-12-months-ago/</a><br />
A fascinating comment by the maverick economic commentor Martin Feil.</p>
<p>The Australian government’s Department of Climate Change is very large and top heavy. There are four deputy secretaries and 13 first assistant secretaries on its organisation chart including a first assistant secretary (Barry Sterland) responsible for an Emissions Trading Division. Many much larger and older government departments can’t match that management structure.</p>
<p>It won’t be easy to dig out the roots of the ETS but what’s the alternative? The government can’t pass the legislation now and has walked away from it. It is difficult to believe they will risk another tilt of the same financial magnitude and political risk.  </p>
<p>It would be pathetic to simply leave in place the government infrastructure (both federal and state) that was premised on the mistaken assumption that an emissions trading system was a fait accompli. Some billions of dollars have already been spent on jumping the gun. It is essential that there be some transparency in government to demonstrate that initiatives have been taken to stop the financial expenditure until such time as a mechanism is agreed in relation to the reduction of carbon emissions.<br />
AMEN</p>
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