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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/07/clueless-cries-the-credulous-truffle-grubber/comment-page-1/#comment-62376</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 20:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Delingpole has just release his latest book on this very subject:

&lt;b&gt;Watermelons: The Green Movement&#039;s True Colors&lt;/b&gt;

http://www.amazon.com/Watermelons-Green-Movements-True-Colors/dp/0983347409/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1310202668&amp;sr=8-1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Delingpole has just release his latest book on this very subject:</p>
<p><b>Watermelons: The Green Movement&#8217;s True Colors</b></p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Watermelons-Green-Movements-True-Colors/dp/0983347409/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1310202668&#038;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Watermelons-Green-Movements-True-Colors/dp/0983347409/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1310202668&#038;sr=8-1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alexander K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 09:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy, the Greens have a unique history of adherence to extreme political views that  deny the rights of the individual, similar to those of the late unlamented East German government; anyone who sees them as slightly goofy but essentially well-meaning tree-and-bunny-huggers needs to visit their dispensing optician.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, the Greens have a unique history of adherence to extreme political views that  deny the rights of the individual, similar to those of the late unlamented East German government; anyone who sees them as slightly goofy but essentially well-meaning tree-and-bunny-huggers needs to visit their dispensing optician.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/07/clueless-cries-the-credulous-truffle-grubber/comment-page-1/#comment-62348</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 08:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone else gets stuck into Brash, on a non climate-related topic (ie. race) but reveals the true nature of The Greens.

&lt;em&gt;I almost feel sorry for ordinary members and supporters of the Act party.  Most of them base their support on a shared belief in laissez faire free market capitalism; a preference for a small, ‘non-interventionist’ state; and a form of social liberalism &lt;/em&gt; &lt;b&gt;that gives primacy to the rights of the individual.&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;b&gt;That’s not a worldview that I could ever sign up for&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;,&lt;em&gt; but nor is it one that gives cause for offence in an open democracy.&lt;/em&gt;

http://blog.greens.org.nz/2011/07/09/donald-brash-racism-and-political-advantage/&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone else gets stuck into Brash, on a non climate-related topic (ie. race) but reveals the true nature of The Greens.</p>
<p><em>I almost feel sorry for ordinary members and supporters of the Act party.  Most of them base their support on a shared belief in laissez faire free market capitalism; a preference for a small, ‘non-interventionist’ state; and a form of social liberalism </em> <b>that gives primacy to the rights of the individual.</b></p>
<p><b>That’s not a worldview that I could ever sign up for</b><b>,<em> but nor is it one that gives cause for offence in an open democracy.</em></p>
<p><a href="http://blog.greens.org.nz/2011/07/09/donald-brash-racism-and-political-advantage/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.greens.org.nz/2011/07/09/donald-brash-racism-and-political-advantage/</a></b></p>
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		<title>By: Alexander K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 14:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy
:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy<br />
 <img src='http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 21:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we could talk to Damart about a range of thermal underwear called &quot;climate deniers&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we could talk to Damart about a range of thermal underwear called &#8220;climate deniers&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 13:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me too, Andy.  When I first became interested in clisci, I understood that &#039;Denier&#039; was the diameter of manmade fibres!  I remember my Mum being thrilled with gifts from my Dad of X denier &#039;nylons&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too, Andy.  When I first became interested in clisci, I understood that &#8216;Denier&#8217; was the diameter of manmade fibres!  I remember my Mum being thrilled with gifts from my Dad of X denier &#8216;nylons&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 09:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a shame that Bryan doesn&#039;t take more interest in climate science
Since I became a &quot;sceptic&quot; of the AGW theory, I have actually rekindled my youthful passion for science.

Climate science is actually one of the most fascinating areas of human knowledge to explore.

It encompasses geophysics, geochemistry, geology, statistics, computer modelling to name a few.If you care to take the post-modern view, it also encompasses human psychology and politics.

It&#039;&#039;s hard to imagine how you could become &quot;expert&quot; in this subject. Bob Carter alluded to this in his keynote at the Heartland Conference (crank conference in Gareth-speak)

I feel very bitter when I get called a &quot;denier&quot; for expressing this passion and interest in the nature around us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a shame that Bryan doesn&#8217;t take more interest in climate science<br />
Since I became a &#8220;sceptic&#8221; of the AGW theory, I have actually rekindled my youthful passion for science.</p>
<p>Climate science is actually one of the most fascinating areas of human knowledge to explore.</p>
<p>It encompasses geophysics, geochemistry, geology, statistics, computer modelling to name a few.If you care to take the post-modern view, it also encompasses human psychology and politics.</p>
<p>It&#8221;s hard to imagine how you could become &#8220;expert&#8221; in this subject. Bob Carter alluded to this in his keynote at the Heartland Conference (crank conference in Gareth-speak)</p>
<p>I feel very bitter when I get called a &#8220;denier&#8221; for expressing this passion and interest in the nature around us.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander K</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/07/clueless-cries-the-credulous-truffle-grubber/comment-page-1/#comment-62241</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 09:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard C, if Walker believes Joe Romm, that speaks volumes about Walker&#039;s own credulity and credibility.  Romm is an alarmist ranter who sees ad hommerie and shouting abuse at &#039;deniers&#039; as reasonable debating tactics.
Richard Black, the so-called &#039;science&#039; correspondent  (who usually only opens his mouth to change feet) on the BBC has picked up the story about China&#039;s nasty habit of for burning coal in the pursuit of a better life for its citizens being the reason for no warming for a decade, an opinion the esteemed Judith Curry sniffs pointedly at.
The UK Grand Poobah of climate, Chris Huhne, has just issued a long and very strange statement in the press about the ways in which Global Warming will increase the probability of war around the globe.  It&#039;s truly alarming that such an influential person should be reporting the equivalent of fairies having tea-parties at the bottom of his garden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard C, if Walker believes Joe Romm, that speaks volumes about Walker&#8217;s own credulity and credibility.  Romm is an alarmist ranter who sees ad hommerie and shouting abuse at &#8216;deniers&#8217; as reasonable debating tactics.<br />
Richard Black, the so-called &#8216;science&#8217; correspondent  (who usually only opens his mouth to change feet) on the BBC has picked up the story about China&#8217;s nasty habit of for burning coal in the pursuit of a better life for its citizens being the reason for no warming for a decade, an opinion the esteemed Judith Curry sniffs pointedly at.<br />
The UK Grand Poobah of climate, Chris Huhne, has just issued a long and very strange statement in the press about the ways in which Global Warming will increase the probability of war around the globe.  It&#8217;s truly alarming that such an influential person should be reporting the equivalent of fairies having tea-parties at the bottom of his garden.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 00:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walker can&#039;t cope with complexity and uncertainty diluting the message. He has to exclude the following from any place in his mind and as many other minds that he can influence:-

&lt;strong&gt;Land use changes,

Aerosol pollution,

Changes and variability in climates brought about by natural causes.&lt;/strong&gt;

Walker has inadvertently given substance to the non-AGHGe factors by putting them in print - thanks Bryan, keep it up. 

Which leaves AGHGe in the Australian (and Walker preferred) version. But recent &quot;overwhelming scientific evidence&quot; is pointing to a benign effect hence the (&quot;partial and provocative&quot; according to Hulme) attempt to reinstate alarm in pliable minds, &quot;Climate change is real, we are causing it, and it is happening right now&quot;.

I agree, with only a little qualification the Hulme version is more representative of the issue and certainly a more responsible appraisal.

Walker ends with resounding &quot;alarm&quot;:-

&lt;blockquote&gt;If it comes across as &lt;strong&gt;alarming&lt;/strong&gt;, that’s because &lt;strong&gt;it is alarming&lt;/strong&gt;, not because the scientists have chosen to present it as such.

Just &lt;strong&gt;how alarming&lt;/strong&gt; is bluntly stated by Joe Romm in a post on Climate Progress [blah-de-blah]

    “But if we keep listening to the deniers and delayers, if we fail to sharply reverse our current emissions path nationally and globally, then &lt;strong&gt;we are headed toward 5°C (9°F) planetary warming by century’s end&lt;/strong&gt; and 850+ ppm — with &lt;strong&gt;sea level rise of 4 to 6 feet or higher, rising perhaps a foot a decade or more for centuries&lt;/strong&gt;, the &lt;strong&gt;U.S. Southwest and one third of the Earth’s habited land a permanent Dust Bowl, half or more species extinct, and much of the ocean a hot, acidic dead zone…&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Very alarming indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walker can&#8217;t cope with complexity and uncertainty diluting the message. He has to exclude the following from any place in his mind and as many other minds that he can influence:-</p>
<p><strong>Land use changes,</p>
<p>Aerosol pollution,</p>
<p>Changes and variability in climates brought about by natural causes.</strong></p>
<p>Walker has inadvertently given substance to the non-AGHGe factors by putting them in print &#8211; thanks Bryan, keep it up. </p>
<p>Which leaves AGHGe in the Australian (and Walker preferred) version. But recent &#8220;overwhelming scientific evidence&#8221; is pointing to a benign effect hence the (&#8220;partial and provocative&#8221; according to Hulme) attempt to reinstate alarm in pliable minds, &#8220;Climate change is real, we are causing it, and it is happening right now&#8221;.</p>
<p>I agree, with only a little qualification the Hulme version is more representative of the issue and certainly a more responsible appraisal.</p>
<p>Walker ends with resounding &#8220;alarm&#8221;:-</p>
<blockquote><p>If it comes across as <strong>alarming</strong>, that’s because <strong>it is alarming</strong>, not because the scientists have chosen to present it as such.</p>
<p>Just <strong>how alarming</strong> is bluntly stated by Joe Romm in a post on Climate Progress [blah-de-blah]</p>
<p>    “But if we keep listening to the deniers and delayers, if we fail to sharply reverse our current emissions path nationally and globally, then <strong>we are headed toward 5°C (9°F) planetary warming by century’s end</strong> and 850+ ppm — with <strong>sea level rise of 4 to 6 feet or higher, rising perhaps a foot a decade or more for centuries</strong>, the <strong>U.S. Southwest and one third of the Earth’s habited land a permanent Dust Bowl, half or more species extinct, and much of the ocean a hot, acidic dead zone…&#8221;</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Very alarming indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of truffle hunters, Bryan Walker, Gareth&#039;s chief of staff, seems to take objection to this statement from Mike Hulme 

&lt;em&gt;The overwhelming scientific evidence tells us that human greenhouse gas emissions, land use changes and aerosol pollution are all contributing to regional and global climate changes, which exacerbate the changes and variability in climates brought about by natural causes. Because humans are contributing to climate change, it is happening now and in the future for a much more complex set of reasons than in previous human history.” &lt;/em&gt;

I think he finds it too woolly and vague, and prefers the simplified version for the public, presented by the Australian scientists:

&lt;em&gt;The overwhelming scientific evidence tells us that human greenhouse gas emissions are resulting in climate changes that cannot be explained by natural causes. Climate change is real, we are causing it, and it is happening right now.”&lt;/em&gt;

I have watched Mike Hulme do various presentations on video, and although he is a bit &quot;post modern&quot; for me, he does come across as one of the more reasonable guys in the pack. 

I don&#039;t have too much of an issue with his comments above (apart from the greenhouse gas bit - I don&#039;t see much &quot;overwhelming evidence there)

Clearly, though, this has offended Mr Walker. Really, Bryan needs to stop reading climate porn and actually look at the science.

(it just occurred to me that the term &quot;climate porn&quot; was actually coined by Mike Hulme)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of truffle hunters, Bryan Walker, Gareth&#8217;s chief of staff, seems to take objection to this statement from Mike Hulme </p>
<p><em>The overwhelming scientific evidence tells us that human greenhouse gas emissions, land use changes and aerosol pollution are all contributing to regional and global climate changes, which exacerbate the changes and variability in climates brought about by natural causes. Because humans are contributing to climate change, it is happening now and in the future for a much more complex set of reasons than in previous human history.” </em></p>
<p>I think he finds it too woolly and vague, and prefers the simplified version for the public, presented by the Australian scientists:</p>
<p><em>The overwhelming scientific evidence tells us that human greenhouse gas emissions are resulting in climate changes that cannot be explained by natural causes. Climate change is real, we are causing it, and it is happening right now.”</em></p>
<p>I have watched Mike Hulme do various presentations on video, and although he is a bit &#8220;post modern&#8221; for me, he does come across as one of the more reasonable guys in the pack. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have too much of an issue with his comments above (apart from the greenhouse gas bit &#8211; I don&#8217;t see much &#8220;overwhelming evidence there)</p>
<p>Clearly, though, this has offended Mr Walker. Really, Bryan needs to stop reading climate porn and actually look at the science.</p>
<p>(it just occurred to me that the term &#8220;climate porn&#8221; was actually coined by Mike Hulme)</p>
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