Comments on: Gas or coal? The quandary, the indecision! http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/09/gas-or-coal-the-quandary-the-indecision/ Taking the heat out of global warming Tue, 22 May 2012 08:22:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Australis http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/09/gas-or-coal-the-quandary-the-indecision/comment-page-1/#comment-67783 Australis Sun, 25 Sep 2011 03:00:06 +0000 http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/?p=11603#comment-67783 The biggest aspect of the Wigley paper is that he says a switch from coal power to wind or solar will also speed up climate change during the next 40-50 years! Although the MSM have carefully focussed on the contribution to AGW from fugitive methane, Wigley's main effect arises from the loss of cooling aerosols when a coal plant is closed. This means that shifting from coal to windmills will bring on warming, sea level rise, malaria, extreme weather, etc for the next two generations. http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/2011/09/12/bombshell-solar-and-windpower- would-speed-up-not-reduce-global-warming In response to an inquiry from Steve Macintyre, Tom Wigley said he had included the problem in a paper he published in 1991. If it wasn't for China, we'd all be doomed! The biggest aspect of the Wigley paper is that he says a switch from coal power to wind or solar will also speed up climate change during the next 40-50 years!

Although the MSM have carefully focussed on the contribution to AGW from fugitive methane, Wigley’s main effect arises from the loss of cooling aerosols when a coal plant is closed.

This means that shifting from coal to windmills will bring on warming, sea level rise, malaria, extreme weather, etc for the next two generations.

http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/2011/09/12/bombshell-solar-and-windpower-
would-speed-up-not-reduce-global-warming

In response to an inquiry from Steve Macintyre, Tom Wigley said he had included the problem in a paper he published in 1991.

If it wasn’t for China, we’d all be doomed!

]]> By: Doug Proctor http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/09/gas-or-coal-the-quandary-the-indecision/comment-page-1/#comment-67761 Doug Proctor Sat, 24 Sep 2011 17:36:46 +0000 http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/?p=11603#comment-67761 The non-impact of their proposed, unilateral regulation and fossil fuel reduction/switch is beginning to hit them. Only a radical few are prepared to de-industrialize the world, are prepared to accept a global government with coersive powers over member nations for CO2 reduction purposes. Only a radical few are willing to crush their own economies, emfebble their own nations, bring energy-poverty to their own families and friends, just to show their moral heart. The ineffectiveness of fossil fuel attacks must make many despair, but also come to grips with the distance between what they thought they could accomplish and what they can accomplish, and with the true cost and true benefit of their dreams. Which creates more of a splash of cold water in the face than anything. The non-impact of their proposed, unilateral regulation and fossil fuel reduction/switch is beginning to hit them. Only a radical few are prepared to de-industrialize the world, are prepared to accept a global government with coersive powers over member nations for CO2 reduction purposes. Only a radical few are willing to crush their own economies, emfebble their own nations, bring energy-poverty to their own families and friends, just to show their moral heart.

The ineffectiveness of fossil fuel attacks must make many despair, but also come to grips with the distance between what they thought they could accomplish and what they can accomplish, and with the true cost and true benefit of their dreams. Which creates more of a splash of cold water in the face than anything.

]]> By: Nick http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/09/gas-or-coal-the-quandary-the-indecision/comment-page-1/#comment-67743 Nick Sat, 24 Sep 2011 11:22:33 +0000 http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/?p=11603#comment-67743 Did you read the wikipedia entry on shale gas? It's worth a look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale_gas Did you read the wikipedia entry on shale gas? It’s worth a look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale_gas

]]> By: Andy http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/09/gas-or-coal-the-quandary-the-indecision/comment-page-1/#comment-67736 Andy Sat, 24 Sep 2011 08:01:59 +0000 http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/?p=11603#comment-67736 Shale gas is an interesting one. Recent data from the UK suggests that they have enough shale gas deposits for at least the next 100 years. My understanding was that gas was relatively low co2 emissions compared to coal. However, this seems of little concern to those of the warmist creed, whose only True Path is to sacrifice the land to Gaia with their bird-chopping eco-crucifixes. Shale gas is an interesting one. Recent data from the UK suggests that they have enough shale gas deposits for at least the next 100 years.

My understanding was that gas was relatively low co2 emissions compared to coal.

However, this seems of little concern to those of the warmist creed, whose only True Path is to sacrifice the land to Gaia with their bird-chopping eco-crucifixes.

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