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	<title>Comments on: Maori for past or for present, for then or for now?</title>
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		<title>By: Mike Jowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/09/maori-for-past-or-for-present-for-then-or-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-66997</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Jowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that wee reminder Flipper.  This is the Maori culture they don&#039;t want publicised.  That culture of brutal stone-age tribalism, pillaging whatever you can because you can, disregarding basic human civilities in the pursuit of power, was the prevalent Maori culture only 180 years ago.  Instead of this being taught in schools we are constantly reminded of the Crown&#039;s injustices perpetrated on a downtrodden and broken race.  The imbalance is stark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that wee reminder Flipper.  This is the Maori culture they don&#8217;t want publicised.  That culture of brutal stone-age tribalism, pillaging whatever you can because you can, disregarding basic human civilities in the pursuit of power, was the prevalent Maori culture only 180 years ago.  Instead of this being taught in schools we are constantly reminded of the Crown&#8217;s injustices perpetrated on a downtrodden and broken race.  The imbalance is stark.</p>
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		<title>By: Flipper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flipper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 08:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One wonders whether the radicals would have been roasted or boiled when this little reminder of Maori history was written:

Life of a Maori Slave 1827
1832 – Earle, A. 
A Narrative of a Nine Months’ Residence in New Zealand, in 1827

The scene I have just described brings into consideration the subject of slavery, as it now exists in New Zealand. That slavery should be the custom of savage nations and cannibals, is not a cause of wonder: they are the only class of human beings it ought to remain with. Here slavery assumes its most hideous shape! Every one they can effect a seizure of in an enemy’s country becomes the slave of the captors. Chiefs are never made prisoners; they either fight to the last, or are killed on the spot, and their heads are preserved (by a peculiar method) as trophies. Children are greatly prized: these they bring to their dwellings, and they remain slaves for life. Upon the number of slaves a chief can muster he takes his rank as a man of wealth and consequence in society; and the only chance these wretched beings have of being released from their miseries, is their master getting into a rage, and murdering them without further ceremony.
“On entering a village, a stranger instantly discovers which portion of its inhabitants are the slaves, though both the complexion and the dresses of all are alike. The free Zealander is a joyous, good-humoured looking man, full of laughter and vivacity, and is chattering incessantly; but the slaves have invariably a squalid dejected look; they are never seen to smile, and appear literally half starved. The beauties characteristic of a New Zealander are his teeth and hair: the latter,
in particular, is his pride and study; but the slaves have their heads half shorn. The male slave is not allowed to marry; and any intercourse with a female, if discovered, is generally punished by death. Never was there a body of men so completely cut off from all society as these poor slaves; they never can count, with certainty, on a single moment of life, as the savage caprice of their master may instantly deprive them of it. If, by chance, a slave should belong to a kind and good master, an accident happening to him, or any of his family, will probably prove equally fatal to the slave, as some are generally sacrificed on the death of a chief.
Thus these poor slaves are deprived of every hope and stimulus by which all other classes and individuals are animated; no good conduct of theirs towards their master, no attachment to his person or family, no fidelity or long service can ensure kind treatment. If the slave effect his escape to his own part of the country, he is there treated with contempt; and when he dies (if a natural death), his body is dragged to the outside of the village, there to be made sport of by the children, or to furnish food for the dogs! but more frequently his fate is to receive a fatal blow in a fit of passion, and then be devoured by his brutal master! Even the female slaves who, if pretty, are frequently taken as wives by their conquerors, have not a much greater chance of happiness, all being dependent upon the caprice of their owners.”

http://www.enzb.auckland.ac.nz/document?wid=300&amp;page=0&amp;action=null</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One wonders whether the radicals would have been roasted or boiled when this little reminder of Maori history was written:</p>
<p>Life of a Maori Slave 1827<br />
1832 – Earle, A.<br />
A Narrative of a Nine Months’ Residence in New Zealand, in 1827</p>
<p>The scene I have just described brings into consideration the subject of slavery, as it now exists in New Zealand. That slavery should be the custom of savage nations and cannibals, is not a cause of wonder: they are the only class of human beings it ought to remain with. Here slavery assumes its most hideous shape! Every one they can effect a seizure of in an enemy’s country becomes the slave of the captors. Chiefs are never made prisoners; they either fight to the last, or are killed on the spot, and their heads are preserved (by a peculiar method) as trophies. Children are greatly prized: these they bring to their dwellings, and they remain slaves for life. Upon the number of slaves a chief can muster he takes his rank as a man of wealth and consequence in society; and the only chance these wretched beings have of being released from their miseries, is their master getting into a rage, and murdering them without further ceremony.<br />
“On entering a village, a stranger instantly discovers which portion of its inhabitants are the slaves, though both the complexion and the dresses of all are alike. The free Zealander is a joyous, good-humoured looking man, full of laughter and vivacity, and is chattering incessantly; but the slaves have invariably a squalid dejected look; they are never seen to smile, and appear literally half starved. The beauties characteristic of a New Zealander are his teeth and hair: the latter,<br />
in particular, is his pride and study; but the slaves have their heads half shorn. The male slave is not allowed to marry; and any intercourse with a female, if discovered, is generally punished by death. Never was there a body of men so completely cut off from all society as these poor slaves; they never can count, with certainty, on a single moment of life, as the savage caprice of their master may instantly deprive them of it. If, by chance, a slave should belong to a kind and good master, an accident happening to him, or any of his family, will probably prove equally fatal to the slave, as some are generally sacrificed on the death of a chief.<br />
Thus these poor slaves are deprived of every hope and stimulus by which all other classes and individuals are animated; no good conduct of theirs towards their master, no attachment to his person or family, no fidelity or long service can ensure kind treatment. If the slave effect his escape to his own part of the country, he is there treated with contempt; and when he dies (if a natural death), his body is dragged to the outside of the village, there to be made sport of by the children, or to furnish food for the dogs! but more frequently his fate is to receive a fatal blow in a fit of passion, and then be devoured by his brutal master! Even the female slaves who, if pretty, are frequently taken as wives by their conquerors, have not a much greater chance of happiness, all being dependent upon the caprice of their owners.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.enzb.auckland.ac.nz/document?wid=300&#038;page=0&#038;action=null" rel="nofollow">http://www.enzb.auckland.ac.nz/document?wid=300&#038;page=0&#038;action=null</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alexander K</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/09/maori-for-past-or-for-present-for-then-or-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-66641</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 13:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, radicals of any kind are similar to trolls.  I think it&#039;s best to ignore them and thus deny them the oxygen of publicity.  It should be remembered that for every &#039;Maori radical&#039; who makes patently silly and/or inflammatory statements, there are many Maori getting on with their lives in a totally unremarkable and worthy fashion who never make headlines of any kind, but the sensation-seeking MSM immoderately loves radicals of any kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, radicals of any kind are similar to trolls.  I think it&#8217;s best to ignore them and thus deny them the oxygen of publicity.  It should be remembered that for every &#8216;Maori radical&#8217; who makes patently silly and/or inflammatory statements, there are many Maori getting on with their lives in a totally unremarkable and worthy fashion who never make headlines of any kind, but the sensation-seeking MSM immoderately loves radicals of any kind.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 23:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw this piece on TV One&#039;s Closeup last night. 

I don&#039;t know which planet this woman is from. She can make these statements without any hint of irony or humour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this piece on TV One&#8217;s Closeup last night. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know which planet this woman is from. She can make these statements without any hint of irony or humour.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Jowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/09/maori-for-past-or-for-present-for-then-or-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-66611</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Jowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 22:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As if to back up my statement above, this article appeared today:
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/immigration-race-row-escalates-4385873

Wherein the head of Auckland University&#039;s Department of Maori Studies not only redefines the meaning of racism, but goes on to say:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;She said New Zealand still belongs to Maori and other people are here as welcome guests.

Maori should have the right to decide who comes in, and they did so when they signed the Treaty of Waitangi in 1840, she said.

But she denied her views are racist.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As if to back up my statement above, this article appeared today:<br />
<a href="http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/immigration-race-row-escalates-4385873" rel="nofollow">http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/immigration-race-row-escalates-4385873</a></p>
<p>Wherein the head of Auckland University&#8217;s Department of Maori Studies not only redefines the meaning of racism, but goes on to say:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>She said New Zealand still belongs to Maori and other people are here as welcome guests.</p>
<p>Maori should have the right to decide who comes in, and they did so when they signed the Treaty of Waitangi in 1840, she said.</p>
<p>But she denied her views are racist.</i></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Alexander K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 14:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Kiwi of wholly Anglo-Saxon origins with a large and wildly diverse extended family, many of whom take their ethnicities and their inherited folk-ways seriously, I can see no problems that are particular to the Maori people as a whole, or see Maori people and folk-ways as a threat.  The things that concern me are the divisive elements of religions, low educational achievement for many, low standards of housing for many, a lack of meaningful and satisfying occupations for many and politicians who suffer from the &#039;Chicken Little&#039; syndrome and waste Revenue attempting to fix something that is turning out to be within the bounds of historical norms.
What really scares me is a population who takes politicians too seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Kiwi of wholly Anglo-Saxon origins with a large and wildly diverse extended family, many of whom take their ethnicities and their inherited folk-ways seriously, I can see no problems that are particular to the Maori people as a whole, or see Maori people and folk-ways as a threat.  The things that concern me are the divisive elements of religions, low educational achievement for many, low standards of housing for many, a lack of meaningful and satisfying occupations for many and politicians who suffer from the &#8216;Chicken Little&#8217; syndrome and waste Revenue attempting to fix something that is turning out to be within the bounds of historical norms.<br />
What really scares me is a population who takes politicians too seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Jowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/09/maori-for-past-or-for-present-for-then-or-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-66462</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Jowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 20:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maori are the privileged minority race in New Zealand.  It will get much better for them and much worse for those of us unfortunate not to have brown skin.  It is headed for a total government of NZ by Maori.  Think of Fiji or Rhodesia. You may be an optimist Richard, but I am a skeptic.  I don&#039;t think current NZ leaders have any guts at all to stand up to this stealthy takeover.  

As &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nzcpr.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Muriel Newman&lt;/a&gt; says,
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;With so many New Zealanders being completely unaware of what is really going on, it has become relatively easy for governments to slip through legislation that will seriously impede the future progress of this country – not to mention deepening the racial divide - with barely a ripple of concern! And now that customary rights claims are going to be used by iwi as a new tactic to get their hands on even more public resources - as foreshore and seabed claims have already demonstrated only too clearly - the problem can only get worse. 
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maori are the privileged minority race in New Zealand.  It will get much better for them and much worse for those of us unfortunate not to have brown skin.  It is headed for a total government of NZ by Maori.  Think of Fiji or Rhodesia. You may be an optimist Richard, but I am a skeptic.  I don&#8217;t think current NZ leaders have any guts at all to stand up to this stealthy takeover.  </p>
<p>As <a href="http://www.nzcpr.com/" rel="nofollow">Muriel Newman</a> says,</p>
<blockquote><p><i>With so many New Zealanders being completely unaware of what is really going on, it has become relatively easy for governments to slip through legislation that will seriously impede the future progress of this country – not to mention deepening the racial divide &#8211; with barely a ripple of concern! And now that customary rights claims are going to be used by iwi as a new tactic to get their hands on even more public resources &#8211; as foreshore and seabed claims have already demonstrated only too clearly &#8211; the problem can only get worse.<br />
</i></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/09/maori-for-past-or-for-present-for-then-or-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-66437</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 08:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The other road leads them backwards into a Tribal World based on animist religious beliefs such as mauri, (the life force) and which regards science as the “latest force of colonization.” &lt;/em&gt;

Given my current relationship with &quot;climate science&quot;, I think they might actually have a point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The other road leads them backwards into a Tribal World based on animist religious beliefs such as mauri, (the life force) and which regards science as the “latest force of colonization.” </em></p>
<p>Given my current relationship with &#8220;climate science&#8221;, I think they might actually have a point.</p>
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