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	<title>Comments on: Climate blackmail from China</title>
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	<description>Taking the heat out of global warming</description>
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		<title>By: bulaman</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/11/climate-blackmail-from-china/comment-page-1/#comment-71191</link>
		<dc:creator>bulaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Possibly the end is nigh??

http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/11/lang-xian-ping-claims-depression-has.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possibly the end is nigh??</p>
<p><a href="http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/11/lang-xian-ping-claims-depression-has.html" rel="nofollow">http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/11/lang-xian-ping-claims-depression-has.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: PeterM</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/11/climate-blackmail-from-china/comment-page-1/#comment-71038</link>
		<dc:creator>PeterM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Error compounding error, surprise on surprise and there are problems with the
100% Clean/Pine New Zealand.

Our government is consulting on the possible banning of the surrender of CER units – generated from HFC-23 and N2O industrial gas destruction projects – because there are growing concerns about the environmental integrity of CERs from those projects. 
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/5953386/Good-report-for-Kiwi-carbon-scheme

And Kiwis go to the polls looking only for the next lolly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Error compounding error, surprise on surprise and there are problems with the<br />
100% Clean/Pine New Zealand.</p>
<p>Our government is consulting on the possible banning of the surrender of CER units – generated from HFC-23 and N2O industrial gas destruction projects – because there are growing concerns about the environmental integrity of CERs from those projects.<br />
<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/5953386/Good-report-for-Kiwi-carbon-scheme" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/5953386/Good-report-for-Kiwi-carbon-scheme</a></p>
<p>And Kiwis go to the polls looking only for the next lolly!</p>
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		<title>By: QuentinF</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/11/climate-blackmail-from-china/comment-page-1/#comment-71010</link>
		<dc:creator>QuentinF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chinese govt isnt stupid probably the smartest govt going. They know AGW is complete BS. Just telling the new world gov in the EU to get stuffed. Zai jian EU! and all that sink in her!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chinese govt isnt stupid probably the smartest govt going. They know AGW is complete BS. Just telling the new world gov in the EU to get stuffed. Zai jian EU! and all that sink in her!</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/11/climate-blackmail-from-china/comment-page-1/#comment-70672</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Min?environment paper at http://www.climatechange.govt.nz/consultation/hfc-23-n2o-cers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Min?environment paper at <a href="http://www.climatechange.govt.nz/consultation/hfc-23-n2o-cers" rel="nofollow">http://www.climatechange.govt.nz/consultation/hfc-23-n2o-cers</a></p>
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		<title>By: Clarence</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/11/climate-blackmail-from-china/comment-page-1/#comment-70671</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a consultation document issued by the Min/Environment regarding a New Zealand ban on both HFC-23 and N2O CER&#039;s.

Because China is producing by the wagon-load, the market price of NZ carbon units has been pushed right down to $14.

MfE propose outlawing credits based on destruction of these gases as from the date the Kyoto Protocol expires – ie 31/12/2012. Apparently, the EU believes they are stuck with accepting the current rules during the First Commitment Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a consultation document issued by the Min/Environment regarding a New Zealand ban on both HFC-23 and N2O CER&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Because China is producing by the wagon-load, the market price of NZ carbon units has been pushed right down to $14.</p>
<p>MfE propose outlawing credits based on destruction of these gases as from the date the Kyoto Protocol expires – ie 31/12/2012. Apparently, the EU believes they are stuck with accepting the current rules during the First Commitment Period.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/11/climate-blackmail-from-china/comment-page-1/#comment-70557</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 23:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just spent 27 hrs in a coal-fired hospital (Tga, and apologies to Split Enz) - discharged after nurses found persistent signs of life.

Here&#039;s the thing. The vital signs of the patient (me) were monitored and recorded regularly so that an up-to-date condition could be referred to. Also, KPI&#039;s were posted on a hallway wall. Direct Care had risen from 27% in January to 34% in September.

Wouldn&#039;t it be great if national climate change institutions were as diligent? E.g. the NZ Ministry for the Environment, Climate Change Office. If they were as attentive as the hospital example, they would discover that the prolonged hot flush of their patient (these symptoms being attributed to a dangerous build up of GHGs around its extremities) had stabilized and the GHGs were having no further effect. The prescribed medication being no longer required.

Close scrutiny of the patient&#039;s recent record indicates that the patient&#039;s system seems to be cooling on its own accord and the older records reveal a propensity to fluctuate between hot and cold anyway . This begs the question as to why the patient was admitted in the first place for inappropriate medical care to treat a mere hot flush .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just spent 27 hrs in a coal-fired hospital (Tga, and apologies to Split Enz) &#8211; discharged after nurses found persistent signs of life.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing. The vital signs of the patient (me) were monitored and recorded regularly so that an up-to-date condition could be referred to. Also, KPI&#8217;s were posted on a hallway wall. Direct Care had risen from 27% in January to 34% in September.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be great if national climate change institutions were as diligent? E.g. the NZ Ministry for the Environment, Climate Change Office. If they were as attentive as the hospital example, they would discover that the prolonged hot flush of their patient (these symptoms being attributed to a dangerous build up of GHGs around its extremities) had stabilized and the GHGs were having no further effect. The prescribed medication being no longer required.</p>
<p>Close scrutiny of the patient&#8217;s recent record indicates that the patient&#8217;s system seems to be cooling on its own accord and the older records reveal a propensity to fluctuate between hot and cold anyway . This begs the question as to why the patient was admitted in the first place for inappropriate medical care to treat a mere hot flush .</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Treadgold</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/11/climate-blackmail-from-china/comment-page-1/#comment-70457</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Treadgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 01:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, inspired!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, inspired!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/11/climate-blackmail-from-china/comment-page-1/#comment-70456</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 01:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This diagram from Willis&#039;s latest post on WUWT is all we need to know about China
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/carbon-emission-changes-2008-2010.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This diagram from Willis&#8217;s latest post on WUWT is all we need to know about China<br />
<a href="http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/carbon-emission-changes-2008-2010.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/carbon-emission-changes-2008-2010.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/11/climate-blackmail-from-china/comment-page-1/#comment-70453</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 00:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We could threaten to release dangerously low levels of homeopathic medicines into their water supply in retaliation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could threaten to release dangerously low levels of homeopathic medicines into their water supply in retaliation.</p>
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