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	<title>Comments on: Pearls from the giant evil IPCC clam</title>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/11/pearls-from-the-giant-evil-ipcc-clam/comment-page-1/#comment-71617</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There has been another release of emails overnight. Climate gate 2 
http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/breaking-news-foia-2011-has-arrived/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been another release of emails overnight. Climate gate 2<br />
<a href="http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/breaking-news-foia-2011-has-arrived/" rel="nofollow">http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/breaking-news-foia-2011-has-arrived/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Clarence</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/11/pearls-from-the-giant-evil-ipcc-clam/comment-page-1/#comment-71583</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TIM FLANNERY: 
&quot;...drought, drought, drought ... we’re understanding what’s causing these weather shifts and these rainfall declines and they do seem to be of a permanent nature&quot;.

IPCC:
There is medium confidence that droughts will intensify in the 21st century in some seasons and areas. Elsewhere there is overall low confidence because of inconsistent projections of drought changes.

ie Who knows?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TIM FLANNERY:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;drought, drought, drought &#8230; we’re understanding what’s causing these weather shifts and these rainfall declines and they do seem to be of a permanent nature&#8221;.</p>
<p>IPCC:<br />
There is medium confidence that droughts will intensify in the 21st century in some seasons and areas. Elsewhere there is overall low confidence because of inconsistent projections of drought changes.</p>
<p>ie Who knows?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Jowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/11/pearls-from-the-giant-evil-ipcc-clam/comment-page-1/#comment-71535</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Jowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;So the people who have demonised climate-change sceptics as ‘climate change deniers’ or ‘flat-earthers’ are now telling us, in a coy and roundabout kind of way, that actually no one has a clue how the climate will turn out.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>So the people who have demonised climate-change sceptics as ‘climate change deniers’ or ‘flat-earthers’ are now telling us, in a coy and roundabout kind of way, that actually no one has a clue how the climate will turn out.”</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Love it.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/11/pearls-from-the-giant-evil-ipcc-clam/comment-page-1/#comment-71500</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 11:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melanie Phillips - Daily Mail:

&quot;For years, the scientific and political establishment has claimed that there is a ‘consensus’ that ‘the science is settled’ and that man-made global warming is  beyond challenge.

But now the organisation at the very heart of this claim has sidled out a tacit admission that this is untrue — while trying to conceal that this is not in fact the mother and father of U-turns.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or IPCC as it is known, is the body which has driven man-made global warming theory for more than 20 years.....

What’s changed is that they know the game is now up. For even though carbon dioxide levels have been increasing, there has been no increase in global temperature for the past decade or so.

And that destroys the entire theory of man-made global warming, which is that carbon emissions inevitably and inexorably drive up temperature.

So the people who have demonised climate-change sceptics as ‘climate change deniers’ or ‘flat-earthers’ are now telling us, in a coy and roundabout kind of way, that actually no one has a clue how the climate will turn out.&quot;

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2064081/Hurrah-Philip-Wind-power-ruinous-folly-age.html#ixzz1eKwylxnA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melanie Phillips &#8211; Daily Mail:</p>
<p>&#8220;For years, the scientific and political establishment has claimed that there is a ‘consensus’ that ‘the science is settled’ and that man-made global warming is  beyond challenge.</p>
<p>But now the organisation at the very heart of this claim has sidled out a tacit admission that this is untrue — while trying to conceal that this is not in fact the mother and father of U-turns.</p>
<p>The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or IPCC as it is known, is the body which has driven man-made global warming theory for more than 20 years&#8230;..</p>
<p>What’s changed is that they know the game is now up. For even though carbon dioxide levels have been increasing, there has been no increase in global temperature for the past decade or so.</p>
<p>And that destroys the entire theory of man-made global warming, which is that carbon emissions inevitably and inexorably drive up temperature.</p>
<p>So the people who have demonised climate-change sceptics as ‘climate change deniers’ or ‘flat-earthers’ are now telling us, in a coy and roundabout kind of way, that actually no one has a clue how the climate will turn out.&#8221;</p>
<p>Read more: <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2064081/Hurrah-Philip-Wind-power-ruinous-folly-age.html#ixzz1eKwylxnA" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2064081/Hurrah-Philip-Wind-power-ruinous-folly-age.html#ixzz1eKwylxnA</a></p>
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		<title>By: Clarence</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/11/pearls-from-the-giant-evil-ipcc-clam/comment-page-1/#comment-71498</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 10:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher Booker at the Sunday Telegraph:

&quot;Last week, even Richard Black, a BBC proselytiser for man-made warming, was gloomily having to reveal the conclusion of a new IPCC report: that, over the next few decades, “climate change signals are expected to be relatively small compared to natural climate variabilty”. In plain English, that means the great scare story is over. What a shame. But at what a price.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher Booker at the Sunday Telegraph:</p>
<p>&#8220;Last week, even Richard Black, a BBC proselytiser for man-made warming, was gloomily having to reveal the conclusion of a new IPCC report: that, over the next few decades, “climate change signals are expected to be relatively small compared to natural climate variabilty”. In plain English, that means the great scare story is over. What a shame. But at what a price.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Australis</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/11/pearls-from-the-giant-evil-ipcc-clam/comment-page-1/#comment-71483</link>
		<dc:creator>Australis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 04:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are three components to &quot;catastrophic anthropogenic global warming&quot; (CAGW) and all are somewhat affected by this report.

Most of all, the &quot;catastrophic&quot; word has all but disappeared. We seem to be left with rising sea levels as the sole source of threatened future catastrophe.

&quot;Anthropogenic&quot; seems to have been put on hold for 20-30 years, and &quot;climate change&quot; has now been radically redefined to mean:

&quot;A change in the state of the climate that can be identified (e.g., by using statistical tests) by changes in the mean and/or the variability of its properties and that persists for an extended period, typically decades or longer. Climate change may be due to natural internal processes or external forcings, or to persistent anthropogenic changes in the composition of the atmosphere or in land use.&quot;

Then &quot;global warming&quot; has become decidedly fuzzy. The next decades might get warmer or cooler, and that may depend more on natural internal processes than any persistent anthropogenic contribution. 

The age when &quot;most of the observed warming&quot; was very likely (95% probability) human-caused has now drawn to an end. It&#039;s over!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are three components to &#8220;catastrophic anthropogenic global warming&#8221; (CAGW) and all are somewhat affected by this report.</p>
<p>Most of all, the &#8220;catastrophic&#8221; word has all but disappeared. We seem to be left with rising sea levels as the sole source of threatened future catastrophe.</p>
<p>&#8220;Anthropogenic&#8221; seems to have been put on hold for 20-30 years, and &#8220;climate change&#8221; has now been radically redefined to mean:</p>
<p>&#8220;A change in the state of the climate that can be identified (e.g., by using statistical tests) by changes in the mean and/or the variability of its properties and that persists for an extended period, typically decades or longer. Climate change may be due to natural internal processes or external forcings, or to persistent anthropogenic changes in the composition of the atmosphere or in land use.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then &#8220;global warming&#8221; has become decidedly fuzzy. The next decades might get warmer or cooler, and that may depend more on natural internal processes than any persistent anthropogenic contribution. </p>
<p>The age when &#8220;most of the observed warming&#8221; was very likely (95% probability) human-caused has now drawn to an end. It&#8217;s over!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Jowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/11/pearls-from-the-giant-evil-ipcc-clam/comment-page-1/#comment-71449</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Jowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Richard for such a clear summary of the importance of this much more temperate and realistic report from the IPCC.  They have a way to go yet, but obviously they are now concentrating on trying to quantify the uncertainties in the science. (&quot;It&#039;s worse than we thought! The uncertainties are huge!!&quot;)

As you say, &lt;b&gt;&quot;MSM - ARE YOU LISTENING?&quot;&lt;/b&gt;  Here&#039;s hoping that investigative, unbiased journalism is not quite dead in New Zealand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Richard for such a clear summary of the importance of this much more temperate and realistic report from the IPCC.  They have a way to go yet, but obviously they are now concentrating on trying to quantify the uncertainties in the science. (&#8220;It&#8217;s worse than we thought! The uncertainties are huge!!&#8221;)</p>
<p>As you say, <b>&#8220;MSM &#8211; ARE YOU LISTENING?&#8221;</b>  Here&#8217;s hoping that investigative, unbiased journalism is not quite dead in New Zealand.</p>
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		<title>By: Peterm</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/11/pearls-from-the-giant-evil-ipcc-clam/comment-page-1/#comment-71446</link>
		<dc:creator>Peterm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 18:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Summary  of the IPCC report from China http://climategate.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/fangetal.pdf must have upset the UN. But who will represent NZ in Durban?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Summary  of the IPCC report from China <a href="http://climategate.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/fangetal.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://climategate.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/fangetal.pdf</a> must have upset the UN. But who will represent NZ in Durban?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Treadgold</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/11/pearls-from-the-giant-evil-ipcc-clam/comment-page-1/#comment-71409</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Treadgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 06:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, yes! Excellent point. All that is documented online, too, if they follow the AR procedure.
Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, yes! Excellent point. All that is documented online, too, if they follow the AR procedure.<br />
Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Huub Bakker</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/11/pearls-from-the-giant-evil-ipcc-clam/comment-page-1/#comment-71405</link>
		<dc:creator>Huub Bakker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 05:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We must be sure to look closely at the report in February to check that it doesn’t contradict its own summary&quot;

No point Richard. As you know the report is altered to fit the Summary AFTER the authors and peer reviewers have finished with it. The thing to look for is whether the reviewers&#039; comments have been addressed (rather than ignored) and whether the final report is significantly different to the second draught.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We must be sure to look closely at the report in February to check that it doesn’t contradict its own summary&#8221;</p>
<p>No point Richard. As you know the report is altered to fit the Summary AFTER the authors and peer reviewers have finished with it. The thing to look for is whether the reviewers&#8217; comments have been addressed (rather than ignored) and whether the final report is significantly different to the second draught.</p>
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