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	<title>Comments on: Delayers today, deniers tomorrow</title>
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	<description>Taking the heat out of global warming</description>
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		<title>By: Australis</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/12/delayers-today-deniers-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-74524</link>
		<dc:creator>Australis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 06:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huub

From: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/12/18/weekly-climate-and-energy-news-roundup-37
&quot;More importantly for international agreements, many scientists in Russia openly question the IPCC as do, increasingly, scientists in China and India. Angered by the false claims of the IPCC and the arrogant dismissal of contradicting evidence by India’s fine experts on the melting of Himalayan glaciers, India has formed its own national panel on climate change.

Unlike prior reports, the IPCC AR-5 is unlikely to be accepted by everyone as a definitive study. Perhaps, being forewarned, the IPCC may produce a superior, unbiased, study on the causes of climate change, both natural and human. But, what Roger Pielke Sr terms, the oligarchy remains firmly in control and it is difficult to overestimate the arrogance of international bureaucrats.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huub</p>
<p>From: <a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/12/18/weekly-climate-and-energy-news-roundup-37" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/12/18/weekly-climate-and-energy-news-roundup-37</a><br />
&#8220;More importantly for international agreements, many scientists in Russia openly question the IPCC as do, increasingly, scientists in China and India. Angered by the false claims of the IPCC and the arrogant dismissal of contradicting evidence by India’s fine experts on the melting of Himalayan glaciers, India has formed its own national panel on climate change.</p>
<p>Unlike prior reports, the IPCC AR-5 is unlikely to be accepted by everyone as a definitive study. Perhaps, being forewarned, the IPCC may produce a superior, unbiased, study on the causes of climate change, both natural and human. But, what Roger Pielke Sr terms, the oligarchy remains firmly in control and it is difficult to overestimate the arrogance of international bureaucrats.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Huub Bakker</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/12/delayers-today-deniers-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-74307</link>
		<dc:creator>Huub Bakker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I recall India&#039;s Ramesh was saying that India should form its own IPCC after the Himalaygate scandal; it shouldn&#039;t trust anyone else to do the work. Maybe Pachauri&#039;s comment about &quot;voodoo science&quot; started that particular train in motion. That would be ironic (not least the railway allusion!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I recall India&#8217;s Ramesh was saying that India should form its own IPCC after the Himalaygate scandal; it shouldn&#8217;t trust anyone else to do the work. Maybe Pachauri&#8217;s comment about &#8220;voodoo science&#8221; started that particular train in motion. That would be ironic (not least the railway allusion!)</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/12/delayers-today-deniers-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-74296</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 07:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot-on commentary Richard T. I had a chuckle over &quot;....squabbling about methods of handicapping themselves&quot; and &quot;....perked up after COP 13 in Bali promised large wealth transfers&quot;.

At least one ace still remains up-sleeve (kimono sleeve that is) and I&#039;m sure there will be a lot of in-house research being carried out over the next 4 years as you say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot-on commentary Richard T. I had a chuckle over &#8220;&#8230;.squabbling about methods of handicapping themselves&#8221; and &#8220;&#8230;.perked up after COP 13 in Bali promised large wealth transfers&#8221;.</p>
<p>At least one ace still remains up-sleeve (kimono sleeve that is) and I&#8217;m sure there will be a lot of in-house research being carried out over the next 4 years as you say.</p>
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		<title>By: Australis</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/12/delayers-today-deniers-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-74290</link>
		<dc:creator>Australis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 05:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tone and content of the SREX draft (final due out in February) seemed a whole lot less hysterical than the previous IPCC report on Renewable Energy, even though work on both papers overlapped.

Maybe I&#039;m a pollyanna, but this gives me some hope that the Bureau might be getting more cautious. They cant keep taking unanswerable hits like the friendly IAC report, Donna&#039;s amazing book and Ross McKitrick&#039;s thoughtful critique without feeling somewhat vulnerable.

On top of all that, the two Climategates have alerted lead authors to the fact that they could easily end up explaining things to an Enquiry.  And the obvious damage from Himalayagate, Amazongate, etc must make them more cautious about grey sources and evidence-free hyperbole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tone and content of the SREX draft (final due out in February) seemed a whole lot less hysterical than the previous IPCC report on Renewable Energy, even though work on both papers overlapped.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m a pollyanna, but this gives me some hope that the Bureau might be getting more cautious. They cant keep taking unanswerable hits like the friendly IAC report, Donna&#8217;s amazing book and Ross McKitrick&#8217;s thoughtful critique without feeling somewhat vulnerable.</p>
<p>On top of all that, the two Climategates have alerted lead authors to the fact that they could easily end up explaining things to an Enquiry.  And the obvious damage from Himalayagate, Amazongate, etc must make them more cautious about grey sources and evidence-free hyperbole.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/12/delayers-today-deniers-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-74288</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 05:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There might be a very large number of Asian expert reviewers for AR5!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There might be a very large number of Asian expert reviewers for AR5!</p>
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