Comments on: Mother of a hoax http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/01/mother-of-a-hoax/ Taking the heat out of global warming Tue, 22 May 2012 08:22:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Richard C (NZ) http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/01/mother-of-a-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-78436 Richard C (NZ) Sun, 29 Jan 2012 08:25:30 +0000 http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/?p=12579#comment-78436 THE HOCKEY SCHTICK has a post on the same map: 'Plant-Zone Map a Boon to Growers' by BART ZIEGLER WSJ.com 1/26/12. http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2012/01/plant-zone-map-boon-to-growers.html Highlights that large cities in particular are having warmer winters, which the Agriculture Department said may be due to more "heat islands" created by asphalt and concrete. More importantly:- <blockquote><strong>The Agriculture Department made clear that it doesn't ascribe the trend to climate change. The 30 years of weather data used to create the map weren't sufficient to smooth out weather cycles and determine if there is any underlying climate change, Ms. Kaplan [Ag Dep spokesperson] said.</strong></blockquote> THE HOCKEY SCHTICK has a post on the same map: ‘Plant-Zone Map a Boon to Growers’ by BART ZIEGLER WSJ.com 1/26/12.

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2012/01/plant-zone-map-boon-to-growers.html

Highlights that large cities in particular are having warmer winters, which the Agriculture Department said may be due to more “heat islands” created by asphalt and concrete.

More importantly:-

The Agriculture Department made clear that it doesn’t ascribe the trend to climate change. The 30 years of weather data used to create the map weren’t sufficient to smooth out weather cycles and determine if there is any underlying climate change, Ms. Kaplan [Ag Dep spokesperson] said.

]]> By: Richard Treadgold http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/01/mother-of-a-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-78401 Richard Treadgold Sun, 29 Jan 2012 01:02:18 +0000 http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/?p=12579#comment-78401 Ok, that's an interesting revelation. Bob Carter would certainly agree with you on land use change. He's said for a long time our ability to affect local weather is noticeable. It becomes unmeasurable only at the global level, though it's reasonable to suppose it occurs. Ok, that’s an interesting revelation. Bob Carter would certainly agree with you on land use change. He’s said for a long time our ability to affect local weather is noticeable. It becomes unmeasurable only at the global level, though it’s reasonable to suppose it occurs.

]]> By: Richard C (NZ) http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/01/mother-of-a-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-78400 Richard C (NZ) Sun, 29 Jan 2012 00:51:22 +0000 http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/?p=12579#comment-78400 At least by focusing on USA they are faithful to the meaning of "climate":- climate n 1. (Earth Sciences / Physical Geography) the long-term prevalent weather conditions of an area, determined by latitude, position relative to oceans or continents, altitude, etc. 2. (Earth Sciences / Physical Geography) an area having a particular kind of climate http://www.thefreedictionary.com/climate There was no such thing as an aggregate global climate until the IPCC came along.so for "climate change" to be faithful to the meaning of "climate", the IPCC must show that EVERY zone of similar "long-term prevalent weather conditions" has been quantitatively and unequivocally influenced by human activities. I'm not sure that the Assessment Reports do this in the case of fossil fuel emissions. Land use change would surely be a greater human factor IMO (just start with NZ for example). At least by focusing on USA they are faithful to the meaning of “climate”:-

climate
n
1. (Earth Sciences / Physical Geography) the long-term prevalent weather conditions of an area, determined by latitude, position relative to oceans or continents, altitude, etc.
2. (Earth Sciences / Physical Geography) an area having a particular kind of climate

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/climate

There was no such thing as an aggregate global climate until the IPCC came along.so for “climate change” to be faithful to the meaning of “climate”, the IPCC must show that EVERY zone of similar “long-term prevalent weather conditions” has been quantitatively and unequivocally influenced by human activities. I’m not sure that the Assessment Reports do this in the case of fossil fuel emissions.

Land use change would surely be a greater human factor IMO (just start with NZ for example).

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