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	<description>Taking the heat out of global warming</description>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/01/the-fallacy-is-strong-in-that-one/comment-page-1/#comment-80085</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have tried to make a few points on the latest Hansen thread on HT that his statements that &lt;em&gt;most&lt;/em&gt; of the global warming of the 20th Century contracts their own Skeptical Science, but this has provoked a series of &quot;snipping&quot;. 

More snipping there than a busy day at a vastectomy clinic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have tried to make a few points on the latest Hansen thread on HT that his statements that <em>most</em> of the global warming of the 20th Century contracts their own Skeptical Science, but this has provoked a series of &#8220;snipping&#8221;. </p>
<p>More snipping there than a busy day at a vastectomy clinic.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/01/the-fallacy-is-strong-in-that-one/comment-page-1/#comment-80003</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not quite &quot;nuclear holocaust&quot; or &quot;rent boys&quot; stuff but this is more insidious I think:-

&lt;strong&gt;Nationwide Climate ‘Preach-In’ To Target Broad Faith-Group Congregations&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;em&gt;An upcoming national climate change ‘Preach-In’ is part of a series of &lt;strong&gt;climate communications activities&lt;/strong&gt; aimed at informing and enlisting involvement of faith groups and individual congregations in addressing climate change.&lt;/em&gt;

[Check out the snipped BS]

&lt;strong&gt;Religious Tenets ‘Compelling’ Action on Climate&lt;/strong&gt;

In that same Interfaith video, Rabbi Melanie Aron, of Congregation Shir Hadash, in Los Gatos, Ca., &lt;strong&gt;equates a do-nothing approach to climate change to a person’s sitting by a pool and reading while a child in sight is drowning&lt;/strong&gt;. “You would be seriously condemned,” she says, “but today, many of us are standing idly by while the lives of the children of the future are being seriously threatened.”

[More astounding BS, then....]

&lt;strong&gt;Science/Religious Differences Bridged by Common Values&lt;/strong&gt;

NRPE acknowledges on its site frequent differences between religion and science, but says “stewardship, justice, protection of the weak, inter-generational duty, and prudence are universal values when responsible scientific study has identified grave risk.”

Anderson said he &lt;strong&gt;regrets that climate change “is often portrayed as a scientific or political debate.” Instead, he and the NRPE members see it as “a fact of life,” and one requiring moral and ethical responses. That “compels us to respond to climate change,”&lt;/strong&gt; Anderson said.

[Yet more BS and finally.....]

&lt;strong&gt;‘Skeptics’ Also Targeting Faith Groups&lt;/strong&gt;

Organizations and interests deeply concerned about climate change and its impacts are not the only ones reaching out to faith groups. A distinctly different take comes from the &lt;strong&gt;climate-contrarian Cornwall Alliance&lt;/strong&gt;, headquartered in Virginia, not far from Washington, D.C.

Using some of the same wording, biblical passages, and emotional tugs — the future of our children, concern for the poor, equity — this group reaches radically different conclusions. It holds, for instance, that “Earth and its ecosystems — created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence — are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory. Earth’s climate system is no exception.”

“We deny that carbon dioxide — essential to all plant growth — is a pollutant,” the group says, maintaining that efforts to control CO2 emissions would cost far more than the benefits might justify. &lt;strong&gt;Warning of what it calls “one of the greatest deceptions of our day,” the group speaks darkly of a need for “resisting the green dragon.”&lt;/strong&gt;

http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org/2012/02/nationwide-preach-in-targets-broad-faith-group-congregations/

Methinks the National Religious Partnership for the Environment (NRPE) has as its godhead, a &quot;green dragon&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not quite &#8220;nuclear holocaust&#8221; or &#8220;rent boys&#8221; stuff but this is more insidious I think:-</p>
<p><strong>Nationwide Climate ‘Preach-In’ To Target Broad Faith-Group Congregations</strong></p>
<p><em>An upcoming national climate change ‘Preach-In’ is part of a series of <strong>climate communications activities</strong> aimed at informing and enlisting involvement of faith groups and individual congregations in addressing climate change.</em></p>
<p>[Check out the snipped BS]</p>
<p><strong>Religious Tenets ‘Compelling’ Action on Climate</strong></p>
<p>In that same Interfaith video, Rabbi Melanie Aron, of Congregation Shir Hadash, in Los Gatos, Ca., <strong>equates a do-nothing approach to climate change to a person’s sitting by a pool and reading while a child in sight is drowning</strong>. “You would be seriously condemned,” she says, “but today, many of us are standing idly by while the lives of the children of the future are being seriously threatened.”</p>
<p>[More astounding BS, then....]</p>
<p><strong>Science/Religious Differences Bridged by Common Values</strong></p>
<p>NRPE acknowledges on its site frequent differences between religion and science, but says “stewardship, justice, protection of the weak, inter-generational duty, and prudence are universal values when responsible scientific study has identified grave risk.”</p>
<p>Anderson said he <strong>regrets that climate change “is often portrayed as a scientific or political debate.” Instead, he and the NRPE members see it as “a fact of life,” and one requiring moral and ethical responses. That “compels us to respond to climate change,”</strong> Anderson said.</p>
<p>[Yet more BS and finally.....]</p>
<p><strong>‘Skeptics’ Also Targeting Faith Groups</strong></p>
<p>Organizations and interests deeply concerned about climate change and its impacts are not the only ones reaching out to faith groups. A distinctly different take comes from the <strong>climate-contrarian Cornwall Alliance</strong>, headquartered in Virginia, not far from Washington, D.C.</p>
<p>Using some of the same wording, biblical passages, and emotional tugs — the future of our children, concern for the poor, equity — this group reaches radically different conclusions. It holds, for instance, that “Earth and its ecosystems — created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence — are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory. Earth’s climate system is no exception.”</p>
<p>“We deny that carbon dioxide — essential to all plant growth — is a pollutant,” the group says, maintaining that efforts to control CO2 emissions would cost far more than the benefits might justify. <strong>Warning of what it calls “one of the greatest deceptions of our day,” the group speaks darkly of a need for “resisting the green dragon.”</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org/2012/02/nationwide-preach-in-targets-broad-faith-group-congregations/" rel="nofollow">http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org/2012/02/nationwide-preach-in-targets-broad-faith-group-congregations/</a></p>
<p>Methinks the National Religious Partnership for the Environment (NRPE) has as its godhead, a &#8220;green dragon&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/01/the-fallacy-is-strong-in-that-one/comment-page-1/#comment-79987</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elsewhere there&#039;s been the headline grabbing weather parallel with a baseball hitter on steroids (Meehl, Masters, McKibbon etc). 

But that&#039;s all a bit tame really, Hot Topic regulars are blazing new frontiers of hyperbole. Their latest tranche will be hard to top but I wonder where they can go with it now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elsewhere there&#8217;s been the headline grabbing weather parallel with a baseball hitter on steroids (Meehl, Masters, McKibbon etc). </p>
<p>But that&#8217;s all a bit tame really, Hot Topic regulars are blazing new frontiers of hyperbole. Their latest tranche will be hard to top but I wonder where they can go with it now?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/01/the-fallacy-is-strong-in-that-one/comment-page-1/#comment-79986</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob&#039;s venting about gravity was pretty good too. I like to think I know a bit about maths and physics but that stuff was beyond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob&#8217;s venting about gravity was pretty good too. I like to think I know a bit about maths and physics but that stuff was beyond me.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/01/the-fallacy-is-strong-in-that-one/comment-page-1/#comment-79984</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Methane cannon goes off&quot; ?

Painting, Taylor et al are apparently in some kind of contest to out-hyperbolize each other - Taylor leading the pack at the moment with &quot;nuclear holocaust&quot;.

The other contest being smear associations - Taylor leading that one too with &quot;rent boys&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Methane cannon goes off&#8221; ?</p>
<p>Painting, Taylor et al are apparently in some kind of contest to out-hyperbolize each other &#8211; Taylor leading the pack at the moment with &#8220;nuclear holocaust&#8221;.</p>
<p>The other contest being smear associations &#8211; Taylor leading that one too with &#8220;rent boys&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/01/the-fallacy-is-strong-in-that-one/comment-page-1/#comment-79961</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s getting better actually. Now we have the threat of nuclear holocaust caused by global elites scrabbling for power as the world degrades under CO2 concentrations not seen since the PETM.

Phew..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s getting better actually. Now we have the threat of nuclear holocaust caused by global elites scrabbling for power as the world degrades under CO2 concentrations not seen since the PETM.</p>
<p>Phew..</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/01/the-fallacy-is-strong-in-that-one/comment-page-1/#comment-79954</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, the fallacy is strong in that one too Andy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, the fallacy is strong in that one too Andy</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/01/the-fallacy-is-strong-in-that-one/comment-page-1/#comment-79948</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob Taylor February 10, 2012 at 11:05 am (Hot Topic)

    You are right, Andy, there is really no comparison, as rent boys merely engage in honest prostitution that harms no-one (one hopes).

    You and your fellow intellectual prostitutes, however, are helping drive all humanity into a world of suffering, war and want.

    You and the likes of the NZ Climate Scam Coalition are working assiduously to bring about an inexorable but unnecessary tragedy that will be much like Hitler’s dreams of a “Thousand Year Reich”, only worse.

    What would you do if you had a conscience, Andy?
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My response - hilarious!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob Taylor February 10, 2012 at 11:05 am (Hot Topic)</p>
<p>    You are right, Andy, there is really no comparison, as rent boys merely engage in honest prostitution that harms no-one (one hopes).</p>
<p>    You and your fellow intellectual prostitutes, however, are helping drive all humanity into a world of suffering, war and want.</p>
<p>    You and the likes of the NZ Climate Scam Coalition are working assiduously to bring about an inexorable but unnecessary tragedy that will be much like Hitler’s dreams of a “Thousand Year Reich”, only worse.</p>
<p>    What would you do if you had a conscience, Andy?<br />
&#8212;<br />
My response &#8211; hilarious!!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/01/the-fallacy-is-strong-in-that-one/comment-page-1/#comment-78928</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 07:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They ask questions, such as:-

&lt;strong&gt;&quot;If the Model Mean Continues To Diverge From The Observations, How Many Years are Required Until The Models Can Be Said to Have Failed?&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;

- Bob Tisdale

http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/figure-114.png</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They ask questions, such as:-</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;If the Model Mean Continues To Diverge From The Observations, How Many Years are Required Until The Models Can Be Said to Have Failed?&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>- Bob Tisdale</p>
<p><a href="http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/figure-114.png" rel="nofollow">http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/figure-114.png</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/01/the-fallacy-is-strong-in-that-one/comment-page-1/#comment-78625</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 04:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stick this in your Pipe Al Gore and smoke it...
Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997. Check the link..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2093264/Forget-global-warming--Cycle-25-need-worry-NASA-scientists-right-Thames-freezing-again.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stick this in your Pipe Al Gore and smoke it&#8230;<br />
Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997. Check the link..<br />
<a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2093264/Forget-global-warming--Cycle-25-need-worry-NASA-scientists-right-Thames-freezing-again.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2093264/Forget-global-warming&#8211;Cycle-25-need-worry-NASA-scientists-right-Thames-freezing-again.html</a></p>
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