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	<description>Taking the heat out of global warming</description>
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		<title>By: Marian</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/05/propaganda-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-97367</link>
		<dc:creator>Marian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 03:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best way for Govt officialdom to cut their Carbon Footprint.

Is NOT to attend overseas frolics in exotic locations at Climate Change meetings. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best way for Govt officialdom to cut their Carbon Footprint.</p>
<p>Is NOT to attend overseas frolics in exotic locations at Climate Change meetings. <img src='http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Treadgold</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/05/propaganda-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-96758</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Treadgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 07:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to see everyone waxing so comically lyrical, I must say! How creative and jolly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to see everyone waxing so comically lyrical, I must say! How creative and jolly!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/05/propaganda-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-96752</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 06:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Poo-cycler,
Thanks for your message. We at the Ministry are always looking for new and exciting ways to &quot;combat&#039; climate change, and your lack of showering is an inspiration to us all! 

You can also share showers with your friends and relatives. This helps cut carbon emissions and also gives you an opportunity to discuss climate change strategies whilst &lt;em&gt;au naturel&lt;/em&gt; with your nearest and dearest.

We are particularly excited by &quot;poo-cycling&quot;. Is this something you have invented yourself? Whilst we encourage cycling as a healthy activity and another way to avoid those pesky petrol powered vehicles, using &quot;poo&quot; to power your cycle is a new an innovative way to reuse waste products and cut those Polar Bear killing carbon emissions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Poo-cycler,<br />
Thanks for your message. We at the Ministry are always looking for new and exciting ways to &#8220;combat&#8217; climate change, and your lack of showering is an inspiration to us all! </p>
<p>You can also share showers with your friends and relatives. This helps cut carbon emissions and also gives you an opportunity to discuss climate change strategies whilst <em>au naturel</em> with your nearest and dearest.</p>
<p>We are particularly excited by &#8220;poo-cycling&#8221;. Is this something you have invented yourself? Whilst we encourage cycling as a healthy activity and another way to avoid those pesky petrol powered vehicles, using &#8220;poo&#8221; to power your cycle is a new an innovative way to reuse waste products and cut those Polar Bear killing carbon emissions.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/05/propaganda-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-96745</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 05:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it all households &quot;getting worse&quot; or is there more to the story?

I worked for a while as an energy sector researcher for an electricity company that at the time still owned lines and retailed. It was clear from analysis of the consumer data that wealthier households and suburbs not only used the most energy because they could afford it (some massive bills) but they were also the ones able to insulate AND connect to gas as well. Gas connections were less prevalent in low budget housing areas.

I&#039;m sure there are households that would prefer to get a lot worse especially in winter but incomes and commitments (the mortgage) don&#039;t allow it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it all households &#8220;getting worse&#8221; or is there more to the story?</p>
<p>I worked for a while as an energy sector researcher for an electricity company that at the time still owned lines and retailed. It was clear from analysis of the consumer data that wealthier households and suburbs not only used the most energy because they could afford it (some massive bills) but they were also the ones able to insulate AND connect to gas as well. Gas connections were less prevalent in low budget housing areas.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there are households that would prefer to get a lot worse especially in winter but incomes and commitments (the mortgage) don&#8217;t allow it.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/05/propaganda-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-96720</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 02:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of &quot;eco-bulbs&quot; I note the following

&lt;em&gt;Energy-efficient light bulb manufacturer Energy Mad has announced a loss of $1.1 million for the year to March 31, down from a $100,000 loss the previous year. &lt;/em&gt;

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/financial-results/6999655/Energy-Mad-losses-grow

Energy Mad, or Mad Energy? 

Same difference</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of &#8220;eco-bulbs&#8221; I note the following</p>
<p><em>Energy-efficient light bulb manufacturer Energy Mad has announced a loss of $1.1 million for the year to March 31, down from a $100,000 loss the previous year. </em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/financial-results/6999655/Energy-Mad-losses-grow" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/financial-results/6999655/Energy-Mad-losses-grow</a></p>
<p>Energy Mad, or Mad Energy? </p>
<p>Same difference</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/05/propaganda-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-96694</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 21:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is an old bug bear of mine too Alexander. In my native UK, double glazing was the norm. Here, I just finished double glazing my Christchurch house before the earthquakes took it out.

Now I am back to a single glazed house in a town where it regularly gets to minus temperatures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is an old bug bear of mine too Alexander. In my native UK, double glazing was the norm. Here, I just finished double glazing my Christchurch house before the earthquakes took it out.</p>
<p>Now I am back to a single glazed house in a town where it regularly gets to minus temperatures.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander K</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/05/propaganda-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-96692</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 21:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Richard.  We used to think &#039;Yes Minister&#039; was funny!
One of the downsides of &#039;energy saving&#039; lightbulbs, which I detest, is that during winter they do little to assist in warming one&#039;s house.  I am surprised that the enormous slabs of single panes of clear glass which are the norm in NZ houses have not been subject to the energy commissar&#039;s rulings. Our house has recently been re-insulated, but this seems a bit pointless in view of said large windows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Richard.  We used to think &#8216;Yes Minister&#8217; was funny!<br />
One of the downsides of &#8216;energy saving&#8217; lightbulbs, which I detest, is that during winter they do little to assist in warming one&#8217;s house.  I am surprised that the enormous slabs of single panes of clear glass which are the norm in NZ houses have not been subject to the energy commissar&#8217;s rulings. Our house has recently been re-insulated, but this seems a bit pointless in view of said large windows.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Jowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/05/propaganda-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-96600</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Jowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 04:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Andy,

I feel so much cleaner now, which is great because I haven&#039;t showered in a couple of weeks because I thought we all needed to conserve energy.  Am going now to indulge in a 40-minute shower courtesy of Meridian Energy! 

BTW, the scraps all over my lawn have been consumed by chickens, pukekos and beagles.  Is this bad?  How does this affect my carbon footprint? I am worried about the fowl foul and dog foul I have to somehow dispose of.  Perhaps I can burn it in the log burner, like the third world does. Where can I claim my carbon credits?
Please advise soonest.  

Kind regards, 
Mike the poo-cycler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Andy,</p>
<p>I feel so much cleaner now, which is great because I haven&#8217;t showered in a couple of weeks because I thought we all needed to conserve energy.  Am going now to indulge in a 40-minute shower courtesy of Meridian Energy! </p>
<p>BTW, the scraps all over my lawn have been consumed by chickens, pukekos and beagles.  Is this bad?  How does this affect my carbon footprint? I am worried about the fowl foul and dog foul I have to somehow dispose of.  Perhaps I can burn it in the log burner, like the third world does. Where can I claim my carbon credits?<br />
Please advise soonest.  </p>
<p>Kind regards,<br />
Mike the poo-cycler.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/05/propaganda-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-96594</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 03:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some &quot;educational resources&quot; at the NZ climate change website
http://www.climatechange.govt.nz/reducing-our-emissions/schoolstuff/

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climatechange.govt.nz/reducing-our-emissions/schoolstuff/playitcool/html/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Play it cool&lt;/a&gt; is a fun interactive game where environmentally savvy kids can hector their parents

Let&#039;s take a looks at it!

(1) Should we take a bike or car to the beach, which is 1km away?
Well, of course the government answer is take the bikes.
We won&#039;t we living next to the beach because of the &quot;threat&quot; of sea level rise, but anyway..

(2) We have got to do the washing up. Should we use the dishwasher, or the sink?
Answer; dishwasher. 

Of course, not everyone can afford dishwashers, and there is a certain manufacturing and transport cost to them. However, dishwashers help us &quot;tackle climate change&quot;, so everyone in the world needs one.

(3) Mowing the lawn. Should we leave the grass clippings on the lawn, or put them in the rubbish bin?
Answer: leave them on the lawn. Putting them in the rubbish fills up landfill. Hang on, don&#039;t we have government composting facilities? Oh, they are bad because they create methane, and are therefore taxed under the ETS.
So leaving grass clippings,  food waste etc strewn all over the property is the governments advice.

(4) Watching the &quot;big game&quot;. should you turn off at the mains or the wall. Answer: the wall. OK I can probably agree with that one

(5) More &quot;cool&quot; ideas. Use energy efficient lightbulbs. These are great for reducing energy usage, and therefore help &quot;combat&quot; climate change.

They do have the downside of taking ages to light up, hence we tend to leave them on all the time. They also contain mercury which is toxic, and therefore the bulbs need to be disposed of in special facilities, and if you break one your are advised to evacuate your house and get someone to detoxify your property.

That&#039;s today&#039;s lesson on helping us all rally together to &quot;combat&quot; climate change folks. Send us your tips!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some &#8220;educational resources&#8221; at the NZ climate change website<br />
<a href="http://www.climatechange.govt.nz/reducing-our-emissions/schoolstuff/" rel="nofollow">http://www.climatechange.govt.nz/reducing-our-emissions/schoolstuff/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.climatechange.govt.nz/reducing-our-emissions/schoolstuff/playitcool/html/" rel="nofollow">Play it cool</a> is a fun interactive game where environmentally savvy kids can hector their parents</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take a looks at it!</p>
<p>(1) Should we take a bike or car to the beach, which is 1km away?<br />
Well, of course the government answer is take the bikes.<br />
We won&#8217;t we living next to the beach because of the &#8220;threat&#8221; of sea level rise, but anyway..</p>
<p>(2) We have got to do the washing up. Should we use the dishwasher, or the sink?<br />
Answer; dishwasher. </p>
<p>Of course, not everyone can afford dishwashers, and there is a certain manufacturing and transport cost to them. However, dishwashers help us &#8220;tackle climate change&#8221;, so everyone in the world needs one.</p>
<p>(3) Mowing the lawn. Should we leave the grass clippings on the lawn, or put them in the rubbish bin?<br />
Answer: leave them on the lawn. Putting them in the rubbish fills up landfill. Hang on, don&#8217;t we have government composting facilities? Oh, they are bad because they create methane, and are therefore taxed under the ETS.<br />
So leaving grass clippings,  food waste etc strewn all over the property is the governments advice.</p>
<p>(4) Watching the &#8220;big game&#8221;. should you turn off at the mains or the wall. Answer: the wall. OK I can probably agree with that one</p>
<p>(5) More &#8220;cool&#8221; ideas. Use energy efficient lightbulbs. These are great for reducing energy usage, and therefore help &#8220;combat&#8221; climate change.</p>
<p>They do have the downside of taking ages to light up, hence we tend to leave them on all the time. They also contain mercury which is toxic, and therefore the bulbs need to be disposed of in special facilities, and if you break one your are advised to evacuate your house and get someone to detoxify your property.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s today&#8217;s lesson on helping us all rally together to &#8220;combat&#8221; climate change folks. Send us your tips!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Jowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/05/propaganda-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-96588</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Jowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 02:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentally, it seems the trend in NZ is down, dropping some 3% between 2007 and 2009....

Don&#039;t expect that to be widely reported in Wellington.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.ELEC.KH.PC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, it seems the trend in NZ is down, dropping some 3% between 2007 and 2009&#8230;.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t expect that to be widely reported in Wellington.</p>
<p><a href="http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.ELEC.KH.PC" rel="nofollow">http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.ELEC.KH.PC</a></p>
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