Comments on: Death of Kyoto – a Scottish view

By: Andrew W

Andrew W — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:19:15 +0000

I’m neither a pinko or a watermelon, but if your friend Rupert Wyndham thinks “Climate change is just a device to keep them [third world] in subjection”, maybe there is something to Lewandowsky’s claim about climate change “sceptics” being flaky conspiracy theorists after all.

By: Flipper

Flipper — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 07:43:35 +0000

Hi Richard et al…
I sent your helpful Scottish piece to my good friend Rupert Wyndham, in the UK.
His response, just received:

” No, I hadn’t; thanks for sending. Time will tell, but I think the Scottish drive for independence is running on a punctured tyre and Salmond is increasingly seen as a bit of a blow-hard.

In my estimation, there will be no follow-up to Kyoto. The 3rd World, so termed, has finally cottoned on. Climate change is just a device to keep them in subjection. Don’t get me wrong. The world is not a fair place, and it may be necessary that they should be kept in subjection for as long as possible (ie for our own comfort’s sake), but don’t let’s insult them as well by pretending that it’s being done for their own good.

Wonderful how pinkoes and watermelons so easily adopt the mantle of good, honest, old imperialism!

ATB

R”

Ouch !!!!

By: Alexander K

Alexander K — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 01:19:38 +0000

About half of my genetic inheritance is Scots and I am proudly aware of the contribution that the Scots made to the advancement of science and engineering which, in its turn, paved the way for the modern world as we know it. The Scots were pioneers in so much of the technology we take for granted now, but what happened to that wonderfully optomistic spirit of enquiry? I suspect that a tremendous number of adventurous and innovative Scots exported themselves to the New World, damaging the remaining gene pool and leaving the timorous and weak behind.
Salmond and his ilk appear to firmly believe in a bizarre mix of nationalistic, engineering and scientific myths, dooming their tartan fairyland to a reliance upon the vagaries of medieval technology, a bleak future indeed.

By: Andy

Andy — Sun, 23 Sep 2012 20:15:20 +0000

Also on Scotland, Andrew Montford writes of Alex Salmond's wind farm delusion

By: Harry Dale Huffman

Harry Dale Huffman — Sun, 23 Sep 2012 16:16:18 +0000

Beyond unthinkingly merely stating that the “consensus has come to an end”, there is no appreciation for the demonstrated fact that the scientific consensus is not only wrong, but incompetent, and has been all along. I must consider this statement rather an “ignorant view”, and just more avoidance behavior on the part of the current generation of leaders and authorities. It is all a waste of time and human effort now, designed at best only to cover those leaders’ and authorities’ rear ends. Bad cess to them all.

By: Andy

Andy — Sun, 23 Sep 2012 06:15:20 +0000

Speaking of wind, Richard North and Christopher Booker report the chaos that is ensuing in Germany's wind industry and a similar fate awaits the UK if it continues down this track

By: Australis

Australis — Sun, 23 Sep 2012 05:47:57 +0000

The EU enthusiasm for Kyoto has always been based on its massive 1997 coup, when it had 1990 fixed as the base year for calculations of emission volumes. This gave EU countries a competitive benefit against the rest of the world.

1991 was the year when North Sea gas came ashore in both the UK and the continent, and there were wholesale closures in the coal industry. In the East, 1991-3 was the period when scores of ex-Soviet heavy industries (mostly coal-powered) closed down.

The other driver was that Kyoto is the only international treaty ever entered into by the EU itself, with all E27 countries sharing the costs and benefits internally. This is seen by many Eurocrats as a major unifying force.

Non-EU countries are unlikely to buy the “1990 base year” in any Kyoto replacement. So Europe wants to hang on to what it’s got, and keep hoping for some opportunity to benefit.

All that’s understandable enough. But I’m damned if I can understand what’s in it for Alex Salmond.

By: Andy

Andy — Sun, 23 Sep 2012 04:39:33 +0000

Things are getting rather interesting in Scotland, with Alex Salmond apparently on a mission to concrete over the Scottish Highlands with windfarms, creating “100% renewable” energy whilst sacrificing the tourist industry in the process.

He also wants independence from England, yet seems unaware that his loony scheme depends entirely on subsidies from England.