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	<title>Comments on: Silent Spring at 50 – the False Alarm of Rachel Carson</title>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/09/silent-spring-at-50-the-false-alarm-of-rachel-carson/comment-page-1/#comment-121301</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 22:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have Booker and North&#039;s &quot;Scared to Death&quot; on my bookshelf - not got round to reading it yet.
It describes the lifecycle of the scare phenomenon. Global Warming, BSE, Sars etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have Booker and North&#8217;s &#8220;Scared to Death&#8221; on my bookshelf &#8211; not got round to reading it yet.<br />
It describes the lifecycle of the scare phenomenon. Global Warming, BSE, Sars etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob D</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/09/silent-spring-at-50-the-false-alarm-of-rachel-carson/comment-page-1/#comment-121298</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 22:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Andy.  The blame rests squarely on the environmentalist movement.  They never think, they just react, making as much noise as possible.  We see this now with global warming, but they&#039;ll be onto something else shortly as the whole edifice of AGW collapses.  

Luckily, with each new scare the public becomes more and more wary (and weary).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Andy.  The blame rests squarely on the environmentalist movement.  They never think, they just react, making as much noise as possible.  We see this now with global warming, but they&#8217;ll be onto something else shortly as the whole edifice of AGW collapses.  </p>
<p>Luckily, with each new scare the public becomes more and more wary (and weary).</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/09/silent-spring-at-50-the-false-alarm-of-rachel-carson/comment-page-1/#comment-121295</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 22:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the issue is not so much with Carson&#039;s work but the downstream effect it had on people&#039;s lives (e.g via EPA&#039;s banning of DDT) , in particular the millions that are thought to have died from Malaria as a result.

Therefore, I think it is unfair to blame Carson solely for this and I certainly don&#039;t go along with the rhetoric that she was a &quot;mass murderer&quot; and other terms that get bandied around</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the issue is not so much with Carson&#8217;s work but the downstream effect it had on people&#8217;s lives (e.g via EPA&#8217;s banning of DDT) , in particular the millions that are thought to have died from Malaria as a result.</p>
<p>Therefore, I think it is unfair to blame Carson solely for this and I certainly don&#8217;t go along with the rhetoric that she was a &#8220;mass murderer&#8221; and other terms that get bandied around</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/09/silent-spring-at-50-the-false-alarm-of-rachel-carson/comment-page-1/#comment-121291</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 21:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you believe this opinion piece in the NY Times, Rachel Carson put a lot of effort into providing a balanced perspective:
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/27/how-rachel-carson-spurred-chemical-controls-by-highlighting-uncertainty/#more-46242</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you believe this opinion piece in the NY Times, Rachel Carson put a lot of effort into providing a balanced perspective:<br />
<a href="http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/27/how-rachel-carson-spurred-chemical-controls-by-highlighting-uncertainty/#more-46242" rel="nofollow">http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/27/how-rachel-carson-spurred-chemical-controls-by-highlighting-uncertainty/#more-46242</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob D</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/09/silent-spring-at-50-the-false-alarm-of-rachel-carson/comment-page-1/#comment-120895</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 02:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www1.umn.edu/ships/pesticides/library/darby1962.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A review from 1962:&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Logically, it should be possible to terminate this review here. Unfortunately, however, this book will have wide circulation on one of the standard subscription lists. It is doubtful that many readers can bear to wade through its high-pitched sequences of anxieties. &lt;b&gt;It is likely to be perused uncritically, to be regarded by the layman as authoritative (which it is not)&lt;/b&gt;, and to arouse in him manifestations of anxieties and psychoneuroses exhibited by some of the subjects cited by the author in the chapter &quot;The Human Price.&quot; Indeed, the author&#039;s efforts at appraising the psychologic evidence concerning the effects of substances reveal a remarkable lack of competence as a psychiatrist, even as great a lack as in the area of toxicology or even knowledge of existing regulatory controls. The obvious effect of all this on the reader will be to aggravate unjustifiably his own neurotic anxiety.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Also:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The author ignores the sound appraisals of such responsible, broadly knowledgeable scientists as the President of the National Academy of Sciences, the members of the President&#039;s Scientific Advisory Committee, the PResidents of the Rockefeller Foundation and Nutrition Foundation, the several committees of the National Academy of Sciences-National Research Council (including the Food and Nutrition Board, the Agricultural Board, the Food Protection Committee) who have long given thoughtful study to these questions, and the special advisory committees appointed by the governors of California and Wisconsin. The latter committees were chaired by two distinguished scientist-presidents of universities, Dr. Emil Mrak and the late Dr. Conrad A. Elvehjem.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www1.umn.edu/ships/pesticides/library/darby1962.htm" rel="nofollow">A review from 1962:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Logically, it should be possible to terminate this review here. Unfortunately, however, this book will have wide circulation on one of the standard subscription lists. It is doubtful that many readers can bear to wade through its high-pitched sequences of anxieties. <b>It is likely to be perused uncritically, to be regarded by the layman as authoritative (which it is not)</b>, and to arouse in him manifestations of anxieties and psychoneuroses exhibited by some of the subjects cited by the author in the chapter &#8220;The Human Price.&#8221; Indeed, the author&#8217;s efforts at appraising the psychologic evidence concerning the effects of substances reveal a remarkable lack of competence as a psychiatrist, even as great a lack as in the area of toxicology or even knowledge of existing regulatory controls. The obvious effect of all this on the reader will be to aggravate unjustifiably his own neurotic anxiety.</p></blockquote>
<p>Also:</p>
<blockquote><p>The author ignores the sound appraisals of such responsible, broadly knowledgeable scientists as the President of the National Academy of Sciences, the members of the President&#8217;s Scientific Advisory Committee, the PResidents of the Rockefeller Foundation and Nutrition Foundation, the several committees of the National Academy of Sciences-National Research Council (including the Food and Nutrition Board, the Agricultural Board, the Food Protection Committee) who have long given thoughtful study to these questions, and the special advisory committees appointed by the governors of California and Wisconsin. The latter committees were chaired by two distinguished scientist-presidents of universities, Dr. Emil Mrak and the late Dr. Conrad A. Elvehjem.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/09/silent-spring-at-50-the-false-alarm-of-rachel-carson/comment-page-1/#comment-120880</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 00:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is slightly off topic but an interesting essay from &lt;a href=&quot;http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=83192&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Richard North&lt;/a&gt; who reports the erroneous claim by various UK newspapers that there are only 100 adult cod left in the North Sea.

It demonstrates quite well, I think, how alarmism seems to self-manufacture in the press.

In case you&#039;re wondering and can&#039;t be bothered reading the article, the 100 figure is slightly out. The actual figure is around 21 million</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is slightly off topic but an interesting essay from <a href="http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=83192" rel="nofollow">Richard North</a> who reports the erroneous claim by various UK newspapers that there are only 100 adult cod left in the North Sea.</p>
<p>It demonstrates quite well, I think, how alarmism seems to self-manufacture in the press.</p>
<p>In case you&#8217;re wondering and can&#8217;t be bothered reading the article, the 100 figure is slightly out. The actual figure is around 21 million</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/09/silent-spring-at-50-the-false-alarm-of-rachel-carson/comment-page-1/#comment-120328</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 03:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, National Radio recently featured a searing expose of Rachel Carson&#039;s warmist propaganda - a must to listen to here:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/20120917</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, National Radio recently featured a searing expose of Rachel Carson&#8217;s warmist propaganda &#8211; a must to listen to here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/20120917" rel="nofollow">http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/20120917</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 23:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I assume it has been hacked again&quot;

Andrew Barnham
September 28, 2012 at 3:14 pm 

Myself and a couple of others are helping Joanne get the site up and running.

For what it’s worth, I do not believe the cause of the failure was a malicious powerful hack. Joanne’s site simply outgrow the modest capacities and competencies of her prior provider.

Building a high volume site on a shoe string is challenging; and personally slightly outside my domain expertise. But learning fast. Minor turbulence expected ahead, but will be back into the swing of things before too long.

http://joannenova.com.au/wp/2012/09/bingo-were-back/#comment-1129773</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I assume it has been hacked again&#8221;</p>
<p>Andrew Barnham<br />
September 28, 2012 at 3:14 pm </p>
<p>Myself and a couple of others are helping Joanne get the site up and running.</p>
<p>For what it’s worth, I do not believe the cause of the failure was a malicious powerful hack. Joanne’s site simply outgrow the modest capacities and competencies of her prior provider.</p>
<p>Building a high volume site on a shoe string is challenging; and personally slightly outside my domain expertise. But learning fast. Minor turbulence expected ahead, but will be back into the swing of things before too long.</p>
<p><a href="http://joannenova.com.au/wp/2012/09/bingo-were-back/#comment-1129773" rel="nofollow">http://joannenova.com.au/wp/2012/09/bingo-were-back/#comment-1129773</a></p>
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		<title>By: NZ Climate</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/09/silent-spring-at-50-the-false-alarm-of-rachel-carson/comment-page-1/#comment-120263</link>
		<dc:creator>NZ Climate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 22:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just been over to Jo Nova&#039;s site, and it looks like it is down again, and I assume it has been hacked again. It seems that there are some people out there who simply will not permit views that disagree with their own; in so doing, they are just serving to point out that they have no argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just been over to Jo Nova&#8217;s site, and it looks like it is down again, and I assume it has been hacked again. It seems that there are some people out there who simply will not permit views that disagree with their own; in so doing, they are just serving to point out that they have no argument.</p>
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