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	<title>Comments on: Met Office agrees with global warming stasis</title>
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	<description>Taking the heat out of global warming</description>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/10/met-office-agrees-with-global-warming-stasis/comment-page-1/#comment-193988</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2013 05:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&quot;As I see it, the correct application of the precautionary principle in the present context of uncertainty is to assume that catastrophic warming, catastrophic cooling and a long period of relative stasis are all three EQUALLY likely (until someone can definitively demonstrate that one scenario is overwhelmingly certain). This would mean that we plan for ways to deal with any one of the three possibilities&quot;

Just like the Strategic Management playbook Sam:-

Scenario Planning

&quot;Scenario planning is not about predicting the future. Rather, it attempts to describe what is possible. The result of a scenario analysis is a group of distinct futures, all of which are plausible. The challenge then is how to deal with each of the possible scenarios.&quot;

&quot;Some of the benefits of scenario planning include:

    *      Decision-makers are better able to recognize a scenario in its early stages, should it actually be the one that unfolds.&quot;

http://www.netmba.com/strategy/scenario/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&#8221;As I see it, the correct application of the precautionary principle in the present context of uncertainty is to assume that catastrophic warming, catastrophic cooling and a long period of relative stasis are all three EQUALLY likely (until someone can definitively demonstrate that one scenario is overwhelmingly certain). This would mean that we plan for ways to deal with any one of the three possibilities&#8221;</p>
<p>Just like the Strategic Management playbook Sam:-</p>
<p>Scenario Planning</p>
<p>&#8220;Scenario planning is not about predicting the future. Rather, it attempts to describe what is possible. The result of a scenario analysis is a group of distinct futures, all of which are plausible. The challenge then is how to deal with each of the possible scenarios.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Some of the benefits of scenario planning include:</p>
<p>    *      Decision-makers are better able to recognize a scenario in its early stages, should it actually be the one that unfolds.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.netmba.com/strategy/scenario/" rel="nofollow">http://www.netmba.com/strategy/scenario/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sam van den Berg (RSA)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam van den Berg (RSA)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2013 05:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have added a question: Are scientist able to explain the ice ages, the relatively recent alternation between extreme glaciations and interglacials? If they do not yet understand the engine driving this phenomenon, how can they be certain of anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have added a question: Are scientist able to explain the ice ages, the relatively recent alternation between extreme glaciations and interglacials? If they do not yet understand the engine driving this phenomenon, how can they be certain of anything?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam van den Berg</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/10/met-office-agrees-with-global-warming-stasis/comment-page-1/#comment-193981</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam van den Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2013 05:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone taking a look at the post-glacial warming trend over a period of some 20,000 years -- as shown by rising sea levels --  must shake their heads at the wild conclusions drawn on the basis of relatively short-term data from a highly complex data set. From twenty thousand years ago to about seven thousand years ago, sea levels rose a whopping 120 metres. Over the past seven thousand years sea levels have been relatively stable, wobbling up and down as any power function of natural phenomena is inclined to do. Looking at the overall 20 to 30 thousand year picture, it seems clear that for seven thousand years we have been in a dithering phase which might well herald another downward temperature plunge. Or upwards plunge. Looking at the overall glaciation trend over a longer term, makes it clear how unpredictable the trends are -- especially at the apices and low points where a period of hesitation precedes every tipping point.

As I see it, the correct application of the precautionary principle in the present context of uncertainty is to assume that catastrophic warming, catastrophic cooling and a long period of relative stasis are all three EQUALLY likely (until someone can definitively demonstrate that one scenario is overwhelmingly certain). This would mean that we plan for ways to deal with any one of the three possibilities -- and place increasing reliance on engineers, architects and town-planners to safeguard against the worst that is probable -- in either direction. We dare not abandon plans for the improvement of the human condition in a mild, hot or icy future. There is nothing wrong with wanting a clean environment and ameliorating our promiscuous use of materials. But hysteria is never a good motive for anything.

At any rate, I would strongly advise global warming enthusiasts not to apply their predictive powers to the stock exchange (driven by another impossibly complex set of power functions).

We must beware these millennial panics. The world will not necessarily end in a year that is a multiple of one thousand, or one hundred just because we have ten fingers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone taking a look at the post-glacial warming trend over a period of some 20,000 years &#8212; as shown by rising sea levels &#8212;  must shake their heads at the wild conclusions drawn on the basis of relatively short-term data from a highly complex data set. From twenty thousand years ago to about seven thousand years ago, sea levels rose a whopping 120 metres. Over the past seven thousand years sea levels have been relatively stable, wobbling up and down as any power function of natural phenomena is inclined to do. Looking at the overall 20 to 30 thousand year picture, it seems clear that for seven thousand years we have been in a dithering phase which might well herald another downward temperature plunge. Or upwards plunge. Looking at the overall glaciation trend over a longer term, makes it clear how unpredictable the trends are &#8212; especially at the apices and low points where a period of hesitation precedes every tipping point.</p>
<p>As I see it, the correct application of the precautionary principle in the present context of uncertainty is to assume that catastrophic warming, catastrophic cooling and a long period of relative stasis are all three EQUALLY likely (until someone can definitively demonstrate that one scenario is overwhelmingly certain). This would mean that we plan for ways to deal with any one of the three possibilities &#8212; and place increasing reliance on engineers, architects and town-planners to safeguard against the worst that is probable &#8212; in either direction. We dare not abandon plans for the improvement of the human condition in a mild, hot or icy future. There is nothing wrong with wanting a clean environment and ameliorating our promiscuous use of materials. But hysteria is never a good motive for anything.</p>
<p>At any rate, I would strongly advise global warming enthusiasts not to apply their predictive powers to the stock exchange (driven by another impossibly complex set of power functions).</p>
<p>We must beware these millennial panics. The world will not necessarily end in a year that is a multiple of one thousand, or one hundred just because we have ten fingers.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/10/met-office-agrees-with-global-warming-stasis/comment-page-1/#comment-129192</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 23:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Green (evidence for):

i)  Long term trend of increasing surface temperatures, for at least the past 150 years
ii)  Theoretical support for a warming effect as greenhouse gas concentration increases
iii) Long term trend of increasing ocean heat content
iv)  Decline in Arctic sea ice  since 1979, with record minimum in 2012
v)   Melting of glaciers and ice sheets
vi)  Sea level rise since 1961
vii)  Results from climate model simulations
.
Summary:  The highest quality green evidence is the long term temperature record and theoretical support for greenhouse warming.  However, these provide only indirect support for P1.  The highest quality evidence directly supporting P1 is ocean heat content and Arctic sea ice, although the utility of this evidence in support of P1 is associated with quality issues, confounding factors, and short length of record.  The green evidence arguably provides support for the proposition that the anthropogenic greenhouse effect has not stopped; however the green evidence provides relatively weak direct support for P1 (primarily ocean heat content and sea ice, which are associated with significant uncertainties).

# # #

&gt;&quot;i)  Sea level rise since 1961&quot; - No green evidence there.

&gt;&quot;[OHC] quality issues, confounding factors, and short length of record&quot;

Major bone-of-contention: 0 - 700m ARGO-era OHC, UKMO (-ve) vs NODC (+ve):-

http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/figure-7.png

&gt;&quot;vii)  Results from climate model simulations&quot; - &#039;Fraid not:-

http://curryja.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/christy-fig.jpg?w=808&amp;h=622

Not looking good for green</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Green (evidence for):</p>
<p>i)  Long term trend of increasing surface temperatures, for at least the past 150 years<br />
ii)  Theoretical support for a warming effect as greenhouse gas concentration increases<br />
iii) Long term trend of increasing ocean heat content<br />
iv)  Decline in Arctic sea ice  since 1979, with record minimum in 2012<br />
v)   Melting of glaciers and ice sheets<br />
vi)  Sea level rise since 1961<br />
vii)  Results from climate model simulations<br />
.<br />
Summary:  The highest quality green evidence is the long term temperature record and theoretical support for greenhouse warming.  However, these provide only indirect support for P1.  The highest quality evidence directly supporting P1 is ocean heat content and Arctic sea ice, although the utility of this evidence in support of P1 is associated with quality issues, confounding factors, and short length of record.  The green evidence arguably provides support for the proposition that the anthropogenic greenhouse effect has not stopped; however the green evidence provides relatively weak direct support for P1 (primarily ocean heat content and sea ice, which are associated with significant uncertainties).</p>
<p># # #</p>
<p>&gt;&#8221;i)  Sea level rise since 1961&#8243; &#8211; No green evidence there.</p>
<p>&gt;&#8221;[OHC] quality issues, confounding factors, and short length of record&#8221;</p>
<p>Major bone-of-contention: 0 &#8211; 700m ARGO-era OHC, UKMO (-ve) vs NODC (+ve):-</p>
<p><a href="http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/figure-7.png" rel="nofollow">http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/figure-7.png</a></p>
<p>&gt;&#8221;vii)  Results from climate model simulations&#8221; &#8211; &#8216;Fraid not:-</p>
<p><a href="http://curryja.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/christy-fig.jpg?w=808&#038;h=622" rel="nofollow">http://curryja.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/christy-fig.jpg?w=808&#038;h=622</a></p>
<p>Not looking good for green</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/10/met-office-agrees-with-global-warming-stasis/comment-page-1/#comment-129162</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 22:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&quot;...debates over forecasts and uncertainty often overshadow.....the truths right before our eyes&quot;

‘Pause’ : Waving the Italian Flag

Posted on October 17, 2012 &#124; 874 Comments

by Judith Curry

[...]

The implications of the 16 year plateau are this:

a)  the IPCC detection arguments rely on a clear separation between the signals from forced climate change and natural internal variability.  Numerous climate model analyses find that it is very unlikely that a plateau or period of cooling extends beyond 15-17 years in the presence of anthropogenic global warming.

b)  failure of the climate models to predict a &gt;17  year plateau raises questions about the suitability of the climate models for detection and attribution analyses, particularly in terms of accounting adequately for multidecadal modes of climate variability

c)  comparison of the observed temperature trend with the IPCC projection of 0.2C increase in the early 21st century raises issues about the models’ reliability in terms of sensitivity to external forcing and ability to deal with natural internal variability

[...]

Italian Flag analysis

[Proposition] P1:   There is significant (or discernible) evidence of anthropogenic global warming over the past 16 years

[...]

Green (evidence for):

[...]

Red (evidence against):

i)   No significant increase in surface temperature since 1997
v)   Growth of glaciers and ice sheets
vii)  Failure of climate models to provide a consistent and convincing attribution argument for the warming from 1910-1940 and the plateau from the 1940′s to the 1970′s
viii)  No increase since 1997  in atmospheric heat content  from UAH, RSS
.
Summary.  The red list provides strong direct evidence against P1, in the form of the plateau in surface temperature and atmospheric heat content.

[..]

White (uncertainties, unknowns):

[...]

Summary:  the white part of the flag is frankly pretty dominant here, with the net impact of these uncertainties acting against the green evidence.

Conclusions

[...]

Given that we are in the cool phase of the PDO and a strong El Nino is unlikely for the next decade, the plateau may continue for at least another decade.  Latif has made this argument, whereas most other ‘establishment’ scientists seem either puzzled by the pause or don’t expect it to continue beyond the expected 15-17 year period.
.
And if the PDO and solar factors are sufficient in strength to counter the anthropogenic warming, then we need to ask the question as to how much of the warming in the 1980′s and 1990′s were ‘juiced’ by the warm PDO and transition from cool to warm AMO, plus a solar max.
.
With the IPCC focus on anthropogenic forcing, these other issues have received insufficient scrutiny.  The main ‘war’ with skeptics is over detection and attribution.  The skeptics have raised some valid issues (notably the PDO/AMO and solar); I hope that the ‘pause’ will stimulate some systematic reconsideration of attribution arguments.

http://judithcurry.com/2012/10/17/pause-waving-the-italian-flag/#more-10215

Re &quot;1990′s were ‘juiced’&quot; (possibly), Wild et al 2012 (introduced up-thread) shows that the CMIP5 models do not parameterize solar anywhere near observations. 

Quoting in regard to solar SW:-

Observed changes at 23 BSRN sites since early 1990s: 23 longest BSRN records (totally 306 years) covering period 1993-2010 [18 years, page 47]:
20 stations with increase (11 significant)
3 stations with decrease (0 significant)

Change: 2.7 Wm-2/decade

CMIP5-simulated changes at 23 BSRN sites since early 1990s [page 48]:
Max. model slope (MIROC): 2.1 Wm-2/decade
Minimum model slope: -2.7 Wm-2/decade

Mean model slope: 0.5 Wm-2/decade

http://www.gewex.org/BSRN/BSRN-12_presentations/Wild_FriM.pdf

1990s ‘juiced’ by PDO/AMO/Solar? I think so - Temp/PDO+AMO+Sunspot integral correlation 0.96.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&#8221;&#8230;debates over forecasts and uncertainty often overshadow&#8230;..the truths right before our eyes&#8221;</p>
<p>‘Pause’ : Waving the Italian Flag</p>
<p>Posted on October 17, 2012 | 874 Comments</p>
<p>by Judith Curry</p>
<p>[...]</p>
<p>The implications of the 16 year plateau are this:</p>
<p>a)  the IPCC detection arguments rely on a clear separation between the signals from forced climate change and natural internal variability.  Numerous climate model analyses find that it is very unlikely that a plateau or period of cooling extends beyond 15-17 years in the presence of anthropogenic global warming.</p>
<p>b)  failure of the climate models to predict a &gt;17  year plateau raises questions about the suitability of the climate models for detection and attribution analyses, particularly in terms of accounting adequately for multidecadal modes of climate variability</p>
<p>c)  comparison of the observed temperature trend with the IPCC projection of 0.2C increase in the early 21st century raises issues about the models’ reliability in terms of sensitivity to external forcing and ability to deal with natural internal variability</p>
<p>[...]</p>
<p>Italian Flag analysis</p>
<p>[Proposition] P1:   There is significant (or discernible) evidence of anthropogenic global warming over the past 16 years</p>
<p>[...]</p>
<p>Green (evidence for):</p>
<p>[...]</p>
<p>Red (evidence against):</p>
<p>i)   No significant increase in surface temperature since 1997<br />
v)   Growth of glaciers and ice sheets<br />
vii)  Failure of climate models to provide a consistent and convincing attribution argument for the warming from 1910-1940 and the plateau from the 1940′s to the 1970′s<br />
viii)  No increase since 1997  in atmospheric heat content  from UAH, RSS<br />
.<br />
Summary.  The red list provides strong direct evidence against P1, in the form of the plateau in surface temperature and atmospheric heat content.</p>
<p>[..]</p>
<p>White (uncertainties, unknowns):</p>
<p>[...]</p>
<p>Summary:  the white part of the flag is frankly pretty dominant here, with the net impact of these uncertainties acting against the green evidence.</p>
<p>Conclusions</p>
<p>[...]</p>
<p>Given that we are in the cool phase of the PDO and a strong El Nino is unlikely for the next decade, the plateau may continue for at least another decade.  Latif has made this argument, whereas most other ‘establishment’ scientists seem either puzzled by the pause or don’t expect it to continue beyond the expected 15-17 year period.<br />
.<br />
And if the PDO and solar factors are sufficient in strength to counter the anthropogenic warming, then we need to ask the question as to how much of the warming in the 1980′s and 1990′s were ‘juiced’ by the warm PDO and transition from cool to warm AMO, plus a solar max.<br />
.<br />
With the IPCC focus on anthropogenic forcing, these other issues have received insufficient scrutiny.  The main ‘war’ with skeptics is over detection and attribution.  The skeptics have raised some valid issues (notably the PDO/AMO and solar); I hope that the ‘pause’ will stimulate some systematic reconsideration of attribution arguments.</p>
<p><a href="http://judithcurry.com/2012/10/17/pause-waving-the-italian-flag/#more-10215" rel="nofollow">http://judithcurry.com/2012/10/17/pause-waving-the-italian-flag/#more-10215</a></p>
<p>Re &#8220;1990′s were ‘juiced’&#8221; (possibly), Wild et al 2012 (introduced up-thread) shows that the CMIP5 models do not parameterize solar anywhere near observations. </p>
<p>Quoting in regard to solar SW:-</p>
<p>Observed changes at 23 BSRN sites since early 1990s: 23 longest BSRN records (totally 306 years) covering period 1993-2010 [18 years, page 47]:<br />
20 stations with increase (11 significant)<br />
3 stations with decrease (0 significant)</p>
<p>Change: 2.7 Wm-2/decade</p>
<p>CMIP5-simulated changes at 23 BSRN sites since early 1990s [page 48]:<br />
Max. model slope (MIROC): 2.1 Wm-2/decade<br />
Minimum model slope: -2.7 Wm-2/decade</p>
<p>Mean model slope: 0.5 Wm-2/decade</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gewex.org/BSRN/BSRN-12_presentations/Wild_FriM.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.gewex.org/BSRN/BSRN-12_presentations/Wild_FriM.pdf</a></p>
<p>1990s ‘juiced’ by PDO/AMO/Solar? I think so &#8211; Temp/PDO+AMO+Sunspot integral correlation 0.96.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/10/met-office-agrees-with-global-warming-stasis/comment-page-1/#comment-129144</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spring for us in the South Island has meant snow and more snow.
I was out cross-country skiing in the local park yesterday</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spring for us in the South Island has meant snow and more snow.<br />
I was out cross-country skiing in the local park yesterday</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/10/met-office-agrees-with-global-warming-stasis/comment-page-1/#comment-129133</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger Pielke, Jr. on L’Aquila science via WUWT:-

Another lesson is that debates over forecasts and uncertainty often overshadow knowledge that is far more certain. Paul Somerville and Katharine Haynes of Macquarie University note wryly that “no action has yet been taken against the engineers who designed the buildings that collapsed and caused fatalities, or the government officials who were responsible for enforcing building code compliance.”[6]

The real tragedy of L’Aquila may not be that scientists led the public astray with their bumbled discussion of predictive science but, rather, that our broader obsession with predictions blinds us to the truths right before our eyes.

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/22/pielke-jr-on-lessons-of-the-l%CA%BCaquila-lawsuit-comparisons-to-lessons-learned-on-nws-forecast-falures/#more-72835

Couldn&#039;t be more relevant to the current climate science situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger Pielke, Jr. on L’Aquila science via WUWT:-</p>
<p>Another lesson is that debates over forecasts and uncertainty often overshadow knowledge that is far more certain. Paul Somerville and Katharine Haynes of Macquarie University note wryly that “no action has yet been taken against the engineers who designed the buildings that collapsed and caused fatalities, or the government officials who were responsible for enforcing building code compliance.”[6]</p>
<p>The real tragedy of L’Aquila may not be that scientists led the public astray with their bumbled discussion of predictive science but, rather, that our broader obsession with predictions blinds us to the truths right before our eyes.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/22/pielke-jr-on-lessons-of-the-l%CA%BCaquila-lawsuit-comparisons-to-lessons-learned-on-nws-forecast-falures/#more-72835" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/22/pielke-jr-on-lessons-of-the-l%CA%BCaquila-lawsuit-comparisons-to-lessons-learned-on-nws-forecast-falures/#more-72835</a></p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t be more relevant to the current climate science situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/10/met-office-agrees-with-global-warming-stasis/comment-page-1/#comment-129120</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 20:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am busting for an El Niño, but not for the reason that you think. El Niño means strong westerly winds for wind sports and big swells on the west coast. La Niña is humid and damp in the North Island, erratic subtropical lows and big rainfall events for the East Coast. This spring has been so much better than the last couple of years. I have no idea what summer will bring though, it&#039;s a pretty neutral phase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am busting for an El Niño, but not for the reason that you think. El Niño means strong westerly winds for wind sports and big swells on the west coast. La Niña is humid and damp in the North Island, erratic subtropical lows and big rainfall events for the East Coast. This spring has been so much better than the last couple of years. I have no idea what summer will bring though, it&#8217;s a pretty neutral phase.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/10/met-office-agrees-with-global-warming-stasis/comment-page-1/#comment-129100</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 20:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&quot;The ENSO may be broken&quot;

NINO3.4 looks OK. Sure it&#039;s not just oscillating normally (we know you&#039;re busting for an El Nino)?

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/monitoring/nino3_4.png

&gt;&quot;...maybe the clmate really is changing….&quot;

Yep, it is. Get used to a La Nina dominated climate for a while, just like ENSO was 1950 - 1976:-

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/enso/mei/ts.gif

BTW, I too read the entire article looking for reference to the actual index but instead found Andy&#039;s quote. One look at the ENSO index and it&#039;s just a case of what goes around comes around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&#8221;The ENSO may be broken&#8221;</p>
<p>NINO3.4 looks OK. Sure it&#8217;s not just oscillating normally (we know you&#8217;re busting for an El Nino)?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/monitoring/nino3_4.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/monitoring/nino3_4.png</a></p>
<p>&gt;&#8221;&#8230;maybe the clmate really is changing….&#8221;</p>
<p>Yep, it is. Get used to a La Nina dominated climate for a while, just like ENSO was 1950 &#8211; 1976:-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/enso/mei/ts.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/enso/mei/ts.gif</a></p>
<p>BTW, I too read the entire article looking for reference to the actual index but instead found Andy&#8217;s quote. One look at the ENSO index and it&#8217;s just a case of what goes around comes around.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/10/met-office-agrees-with-global-warming-stasis/comment-page-1/#comment-128788</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 08:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/?p=15441#comment-128788</guid>
		<description>Simon, the article you cite concludes

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In the end, though, everything hinges on learning, unambiguously, how sensitive the climate is to greenhouse gases. Sceptics believe it is not particularly so. But the fact is that, without the data, no-one knows for certain

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The sad thing is that I had to read through this entire piece of content-free drivel before getting to the money quote

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon, the article you cite concludes</p>
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In the end, though, everything hinges on learning, unambiguously, how sensitive the climate is to greenhouse gases. Sceptics believe it is not particularly so. But the fact is that, without the data, no-one knows for certain</p>
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<p>The sad thing is that I had to read through this entire piece of content-free drivel before getting to the money quote</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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