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	<title>Comments on: US carbon emissions, shale gas and Europe</title>
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	<description>Taking the heat out of global warming</description>
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		<title>By: Doug Proctor</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/12/us-carbon-emissions-shale-gas-and-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-165483</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Proctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 03:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s pause at the graph a moment or two.  Consider what you have heard about the US becoming self-sufficient, a world-level exporter of LNG etc.


Since 2011 the various basins in the US are essentially stagnant.  Now some of this is recession-based, but a large part of this is 1) the core of the basins has been determined/put under production and 1) current gas prices do not justify more drilling 

The &quot;game changer&quot; is limited and expensive.

Do not lose track of the above statement, especially when someone is suggesting you buy shares in shale gas development schemes.  Short-term, limited opportunity to make hay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s pause at the graph a moment or two.  Consider what you have heard about the US becoming self-sufficient, a world-level exporter of LNG etc.</p>
<p>Since 2011 the various basins in the US are essentially stagnant.  Now some of this is recession-based, but a large part of this is 1) the core of the basins has been determined/put under production and 1) current gas prices do not justify more drilling </p>
<p>The &#8220;game changer&#8221; is limited and expensive.</p>
<p>Do not lose track of the above statement, especially when someone is suggesting you buy shares in shale gas development schemes.  Short-term, limited opportunity to make hay.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 18:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Rose in the Mail gives the UK climate policy a bad score card, and welcomes us to the counter industrial revolution


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2257826/Why-IS-Britain-pay-110billion-enter-new-Dark-Age-A-damning-indictment-new-Green-friendly-Energy-Bill.html

He mentions Thorium and Fusion and wonders why they don&#039;t get funded whilst parasites like Yeo and Deben push for their own self interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Rose in the Mail gives the UK climate policy a bad score card, and welcomes us to the counter industrial revolution</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2257826/Why-IS-Britain-pay-110billion-enter-new-Dark-Age-A-damning-indictment-new-Green-friendly-Energy-Bill.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2257826/Why-IS-Britain-pay-110billion-enter-new-Dark-Age-A-damning-indictment-new-Green-friendly-Energy-Bill.html</a></p>
<p>He mentions Thorium and Fusion and wonders why they don&#8217;t get funded whilst parasites like Yeo and Deben push for their own self interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/12/us-carbon-emissions-shale-gas-and-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-165272</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 18:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Economist claims that Europe is having a Golden Age of coal

http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21569039-europes-energy-policy-delivers-worst-all-possible-worlds-unwelcome-renaissance

The shale gas revolution in the US is pushing down the price of coal, therefore Europe is importing it for its new coal fired power stations, e.g 24 new ones in Germany.

I think therefore that EU emissions are probably on the increase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Economist claims that Europe is having a Golden Age of coal</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21569039-europes-energy-policy-delivers-worst-all-possible-worlds-unwelcome-renaissance" rel="nofollow">http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21569039-europes-energy-policy-delivers-worst-all-possible-worlds-unwelcome-renaissance</a></p>
<p>The shale gas revolution in the US is pushing down the price of coal, therefore Europe is importing it for its new coal fired power stations, e.g 24 new ones in Germany.</p>
<p>I think therefore that EU emissions are probably on the increase.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Jowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/12/us-carbon-emissions-shale-gas-and-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-164475</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Jowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 04:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over at WUWT, Steve Mosher &lt;a href=&quot;http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/01/the-age-old-battle-of-the-thermostat-the-goredian-knot-of-global-temperature/#comment-1187309&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blathers on&lt;/a&gt; about CO2 levels rising due to fossil fuel burning and &quot;future generations will pay the price.  To which, Willis E makes &lt;a href=&quot;http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/01/the-age-old-battle-of-the-thermostat-the-goredian-knot-of-global-temperature/#comment-1187336&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;several astute rebuttals&lt;/a&gt;.  Worth reading the two posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over at WUWT, Steve Mosher <a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/01/the-age-old-battle-of-the-thermostat-the-goredian-knot-of-global-temperature/#comment-1187309" rel="nofollow">blathers on</a> about CO2 levels rising due to fossil fuel burning and &#8220;future generations will pay the price.  To which, Willis E makes <a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/01/the-age-old-battle-of-the-thermostat-the-goredian-knot-of-global-temperature/#comment-1187336" rel="nofollow">several astute rebuttals</a>.  Worth reading the two posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Pittwood</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2012/12/us-carbon-emissions-shale-gas-and-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-163854</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Pittwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2012 09:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to provide an idea of just how big those coal fired stations are in relation to New Zealand&#039;s electricity supply:
NZ consumes around 39,000 GWh per year, which results in an average demand of around 4,452MW.
The 363 stations proposed for China with a total of 557,938MW have an average capacity of 1,537MW each, and likewise for India, of 1,142MW each.  In other words, just three or four Chinese or Indian machines respectively, would meet NZ&#039;s average annual demand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to provide an idea of just how big those coal fired stations are in relation to New Zealand&#8217;s electricity supply:<br />
NZ consumes around 39,000 GWh per year, which results in an average demand of around 4,452MW.<br />
The 363 stations proposed for China with a total of 557,938MW have an average capacity of 1,537MW each, and likewise for India, of 1,142MW each.  In other words, just three or four Chinese or Indian machines respectively, would meet NZ&#8217;s average annual demand.</p>
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