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	<description>Taking the heat out of global warming</description>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2013/02/give-us-the-bodies/comment-page-1/#comment-182756</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 06:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mike! Here&#039;s the bodies.......

&#039;Did Global Warming Spark the Syrian War?&#039; 

One million refugees, more than 70,000 dead, scores injured, billions of dollars lost in destroyed homes, businesses and livelihoods: the net total, to date, of the conflict that started quietly in March 2011.

Its seeds, argue some scientists, were sown five years ago in a wretched drought.

That is the foundation of an essay by Francesco Femia and Caitlin Werrell of the Center for Climate and Security in Washington. It is part of a study released recently by the Center for American Progress titled “The Arab Spring and Climate Change.”Nowhere is the connection between climate change and conflict more apparent than in Syria.

http://planet3.org/2013/03/22/did-global-warming-spark-the-syrian-war/

&quot;Should we count 70,000 mortality from climate wars already?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mike! Here&#8217;s the bodies&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8216;Did Global Warming Spark the Syrian War?&#8217; </p>
<p>One million refugees, more than 70,000 dead, scores injured, billions of dollars lost in destroyed homes, businesses and livelihoods: the net total, to date, of the conflict that started quietly in March 2011.</p>
<p>Its seeds, argue some scientists, were sown five years ago in a wretched drought.</p>
<p>That is the foundation of an essay by Francesco Femia and Caitlin Werrell of the Center for Climate and Security in Washington. It is part of a study released recently by the Center for American Progress titled “The Arab Spring and Climate Change.”Nowhere is the connection between climate change and conflict more apparent than in Syria.</p>
<p><a href="http://planet3.org/2013/03/22/did-global-warming-spark-the-syrian-war/" rel="nofollow">http://planet3.org/2013/03/22/did-global-warming-spark-the-syrian-war/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Should we count 70,000 mortality from climate wars already?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Proctor</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2013/02/give-us-the-bodies/comment-page-1/#comment-177611</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Proctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 00:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correlation vs causation, of course.

Population growth, urbanization, access to employment, education.  All are reasons to relocate.  Demographics would be an issue in India.  

Correlate movement to piracy in the Indian Ocean.  That would tell you where the REAL problem lies .....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correlation vs causation, of course.</p>
<p>Population growth, urbanization, access to employment, education.  All are reasons to relocate.  Demographics would be an issue in India.  </p>
<p>Correlate movement to piracy in the Indian Ocean.  That would tell you where the REAL problem lies &#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2013/02/give-us-the-bodies/comment-page-1/#comment-177191</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 02:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bishop Hill link to the european wind output is here
http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2013/3/2/the-great-still.html

and another one here
http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2013/2/27/still-still.html

and &quot;Big Wind just got smaller&quot;, relevant to Mike&#039;s post is here

http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2013/2/26/big-wind-just-got-smaller.html

All in all, combined with the phasing out of coal and nuclear capabilities in the UK, starting this year, things are looking pretty desperate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bishop Hill link to the european wind output is here<br />
<a href="http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2013/3/2/the-great-still.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2013/3/2/the-great-still.html</a></p>
<p>and another one here<br />
<a href="http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2013/2/27/still-still.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2013/2/27/still-still.html</a></p>
<p>and &#8220;Big Wind just got smaller&#8221;, relevant to Mike&#8217;s post is here</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2013/2/26/big-wind-just-got-smaller.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2013/2/26/big-wind-just-got-smaller.html</a></p>
<p>All in all, combined with the phasing out of coal and nuclear capabilities in the UK, starting this year, things are looking pretty desperate</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Jowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2013/02/give-us-the-bodies/comment-page-1/#comment-177182</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Jowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 01:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A sobering report cited in the Times:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;In today’s Times (02.02.11) it is reported that Scottish and Southern Energy (SSE) has published data confirming that its wind turbine fleet has reported a 20% &lt;strong&gt;reduction in energy generation in the last year&lt;/strong&gt;. SSE is said to have released this data in response to requests from concerned shareholders.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
http://www.ref.org.uk/publications/217-low-wind-power-output-2010</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A sobering report cited in the Times:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>In today’s Times (02.02.11) it is reported that Scottish and Southern Energy (SSE) has published data confirming that its wind turbine fleet has reported a 20% <strong>reduction in energy generation in the last year</strong>. SSE is said to have released this data in response to requests from concerned shareholders.</i></p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.ref.org.uk/publications/217-low-wind-power-output-2010" rel="nofollow">http://www.ref.org.uk/publications/217-low-wind-power-output-2010</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2013/02/give-us-the-bodies/comment-page-1/#comment-177165</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 23:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&quot;wind farm refugees&quot; - already a fact of life in Australia for example but only for the relatively fortunate. It is those that are stuck where they are without the resources to move or any hope of respite or compensation that are being driven mad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&#8221;wind farm refugees&#8221; &#8211; already a fact of life in Australia for example but only for the relatively fortunate. It is those that are stuck where they are without the resources to move or any hope of respite or compensation that are being driven mad.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2013/02/give-us-the-bodies/comment-page-1/#comment-177158</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 22:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike - Bishop Hill has a rather worrying post - and I have seen this all over the net now - that the wind output in Europe is incredibly low. In the UK output is something like 0.5% of the grid.

Coal and nuclear is going offline in many cases. People won&#039;t just not be able to afford power. There won&#039;t be any to buy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8211; Bishop Hill has a rather worrying post &#8211; and I have seen this all over the net now &#8211; that the wind output in Europe is incredibly low. In the UK output is something like 0.5% of the grid.</p>
<p>Coal and nuclear is going offline in many cases. People won&#8217;t just not be able to afford power. There won&#8217;t be any to buy</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Jowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2013/02/give-us-the-bodies/comment-page-1/#comment-177157</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Jowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 22:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21501878&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Consumers are being warned they face higher energy bills as the UK becomes more reliant on energy imports.&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;The chief executive of Consumer Focus, Mike O&#039;Conner, warned that it would be those who can least afford it who would suffer the most.

&quot;With six million households in fuel poverty, rising to over nine million by 2016, and an increasing proportion of our incomes being spent on essential items like energy, this latest news... is chilling.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

(Or would it be &quot;wind farm refugees&quot;, Andy?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21501878" rel="nofollow">Consumers are being warned they face higher energy bills as the UK becomes more reliant on energy imports.</a></p>
<blockquote><p><i>The chief executive of Consumer Focus, Mike O&#8217;Conner, warned that it would be those who can least afford it who would suffer the most.</p>
<p>&#8220;With six million households in fuel poverty, rising to over nine million by 2016, and an increasing proportion of our incomes being spent on essential items like energy, this latest news&#8230; is chilling.&#8221;</i></p></blockquote>
<p>(Or would it be &#8220;wind farm refugees&#8221;, Andy?)</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C (NZ)</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2013/02/give-us-the-bodies/comment-page-1/#comment-177002</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 05:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&quot;....why the hell would these refugees want to go north to the dust bowls and hurrican-ravaged states?&quot;

I wondered about that too Mile. It&#039;s also a long way for so many people. I foresee logistical problems. The illegal immigrants (economic refugees) from Central America are already having enough problems moving from country to country and jumping on trains and trucks (saw a doco on that) let alone them being joined by hoards of the climate kind from South America.

It could be a case of miss-attribution of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&#8221;&#8230;.why the hell would these refugees want to go north to the dust bowls and hurrican-ravaged states?&#8221;</p>
<p>I wondered about that too Mile. It&#8217;s also a long way for so many people. I foresee logistical problems. The illegal immigrants (economic refugees) from Central America are already having enough problems moving from country to country and jumping on trains and trucks (saw a doco on that) let alone them being joined by hoards of the climate kind from South America.</p>
<p>It could be a case of miss-attribution of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Jowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2013/02/give-us-the-bodies/comment-page-1/#comment-176997</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Jowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 05:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Queen&#039;s English fail!

&lt;strong&gt;Hear, hear&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
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 Jump to: navigation, search 

Hear, hear is an expression used as a short, repeated form of hear him, hear him. It represents a listener&#039;s agreement with the point being made by a speaker. In recent usage it has often been re-analysed as here, here, although this is incorrect.[1]&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Queen&#8217;s English fail!</p>
<p><strong>Hear, hear</strong></p>
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<p>Hear, hear is an expression used as a short, repeated form of hear him, hear him. It represents a listener&#8217;s agreement with the point being made by a speaker. In recent usage it has often been re-analysed as here, here, although this is incorrect.[1]</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Mike Jowsey</title>
		<link>http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2013/02/give-us-the-bodies/comment-page-1/#comment-176989</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Jowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 04:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If climate change is going to cause crop failures in South America, causing millions of climate refugees, why the hell would these refugees want to go north to the dust bowls and hurrican-ravaged states? Maybe all those FEMA camps the US are building will hold some attraction for them.  Or maybe the former CIA head needs his former CIA head examined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If climate change is going to cause crop failures in South America, causing millions of climate refugees, why the hell would these refugees want to go north to the dust bowls and hurrican-ravaged states? Maybe all those FEMA camps the US are building will hold some attraction for them.  Or maybe the former CIA head needs his former CIA head examined.</p>
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