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  1. Richard C (NZ) says:
    October 31, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    2009 Scientific Consensus : El Nino To Become Permanent

    Posted on October 30, 2011 by Steven Goddard

    4. El Niño Becomes Permanent

    If El Niño–a periodic disruption of the ocean and atmosphere in the tropical Pacific–becomes the average state of the region’s climate as global warming progresses, widespread shifts in precipitation patterns (above, homes slide into the sea during El Niño storms in Pacifica, California) will ensue, said a majority of scientists who responded to a climate survey released on March 16, 2009.

    Such changes could bring increased drought to Southeast Asia and the Amazon Basin, experts say.

    Likewise, the South American coast would likely be heavily slammed with increased floods and changes in the marine food web, which could hurt many fisheries, the study said.

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/

    ENSO has been negative continuously since May, 2010 – and has been negative for 38 out of the last 52 months.

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    • Richard C (NZ) says:
      October 31, 2011 at 3:13 pm

      Link should be:-

      PHOTOS: Five Global Warming “Tipping Points”

      http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/03/photogalleries/tipping-points-climate-change/photo4.html

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  2. Richard C (NZ) says:
    November 4, 2011 at 8:43 am

    The Northern Hemisphere, Southern Hemisphere, and tropics have all cooled substantially, consistent with the onset of another La Nina, with the tropics now back below the 1981-2010 average.

    WHAT MIGHT THIS MEAN FOR CLIMATE CHANGE?
    …taking a line from our IPCC brethren… While any single month’s drop in global temperatures cannot be blamed on climate change, it is still the kind of behavior we expect to see more often in a cooling world [Smiley face]

    http://www.drroyspencer.com/2011/11/uah-global-temperature-update-for-october-2011-0-11-deg-c/

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  3. Andy says:
    November 10, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Richard Betts, head of climate impacts at the UK Met Office, writing at Bishop Hill

    Most climate scientists* do not subscribe to the 2 degrees “Dangerous Climate Change” meme (I know I don’t). “Dangerous” is a value judgement, and the relationship between any particular level of global mean temperature rise and impacts on society are fraught with uncertainties, including the nature of regional climate responses and the vulnerability/resilience of society…..

    read more:
    http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2011/11/9/dangerous-climate-change.html

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    • Andy says:
      November 10, 2011 at 12:39 pm

      Quite a good comment from RIchard Tol in that thread:

      The worrying thing is of course that when the 2K warming comes to pass (e.g., when you move from Dublin to Brighton) and nothing terribly bad happens, people lose confidence

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  4. Richard C (NZ) says:
    December 5, 2011 at 8:11 am

    Comprehensive article in Forbes by Peter Ferrara:-

    Salvaging The Mythology Of Man-Caused Global Warming

    If you read this column completely and carefully today, you will learn about the true state of the scientific debate over global warming. You will not get the truth about that from the Washington Post, the New York Times, or the rest of the self-regarded “establishment” media. They are devoted to the fun and games of play acting as if there is no legitimate scientific debate over whether mankind’s use of low cost, reliable energy from oil, coal and natural gas portends catastrophic global warming that threatens life on the planet as we know it.

    >>>>>>>>>

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/12/01/salvaging-the-mythology-of-man-caused-global-warming/

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  5. Richard C (NZ) says:
    February 1, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Global warming nonsense gets a true cold shoulder

    * by: Andrew Bolt
    * From: The Daily Telegraph
    * February 01, 2012 12:00AM

    LET’S take stock of the great global warming scare and see how it’s panning out.

    First, the planet hasn’t actually warmed for a decade – or even 15 years – according to new temperature data released by Britain’s Met Office.

    Hmm. That’s not what global warming scientists predicted.

    Look out of your window. The rain that Climate Commissioner Tim Flannery said in 2007 “isn’t actually going to fill our dams and river systems” any more has just flooded NSW and Queensland yet again.

    The Bureau of Meteorology – which three years ago warned “we are just not going to have that sort of good rain again” – now admits last year was our third wettest on record.

    The snowfalls that the University of East Anglia in 2000 said would soon become “a very rare and exciting event” are falling as hard as ever.

    The monster hurricanes we were told to expect by Nobel Prize winner Al Gore are coming no more often.

    The massive coral bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef that warmist Professor Ove Hoegh-Guldberg predicted would occur every second year from 2010 has not been seen in years.

    Wherever you look it’s the same wake-up-to-yourself story. Sea levels have recently dipped, the oceans have lately cooled, Arctic ice has not retreated since 2007, polar bears are increasing in numbers, global crop yields keep rising and now some solar scientists warn not of global warming, but cooling — a far deadlier threat.

    So what was that warming scare all about?

    And how do the warming activists respond to this increasing evidence contradicting their theory that our carbon dioxide is heating the world dangerously?

    Simple – they close their eyes in denial.

    >>>>>>>>

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/global-warming-nonsense-gets-a-true-cold-shoulder/story-e6frezz0-1226258756363

    One can only surmise that the warmists must be feeling a tad embattled at the moment, what with everything turning against them: the climate; the atmosphere; the ocean; the sun; the astrophysicists; the media; the politicians; the public; the growing body of scientists now willing to speak out and refute CAGW.

    Normally in these situations I try to make an effort to resist the temptation to succumb to schadenfreude but in the case of CAGW adherents I think I will make an exception.

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  6. Richard C (NZ) says:
    February 17, 2012 at 8:43 am

    Natural Climate Change

    The Debate on Global Warming

    Throughout the last decade, the debate has moved beyond the question of the existence of global warming to understanding the nature, extent, and predictability of these dynamic global climate changes that we are now experiencing first hand. Although considerable attention and resources have been dedicated to advocates of the greenhouse gasses theory, particularly those adherents who tend to emphasize man’s contribution to increased atmospheric CO2, many fundamental questions about global warming remain unanswered. For example:

    * To what extent is the earth warming?
    * In addition to man’s possible contribution, have we accounted for all of the possible drivers behind climate change? (i.e., natural variability caused by earth generated greenhouse gasses, hydrothermal heating, volcanic eruptions, seismic activity, and other natural geophysical/solar events)
    * What will be the long-term impact of global warming for life on Earth?
    * Do our climate prediction models represent real temperature trends? If not, why?

    NCC has identified two main camps within the global warming debate:

    1. Those who believe the current global warming we are experiencing is natural:
    The Debate on Global Warming-Natural Variability [Linked]
    2. Those who believe it is caused by human activities:
    The Debate on Global Warming-Human Causation [Linked]

    These are links to articles of interest within each side of the debate. The purpose is to present scientifically grounded arguments in support of each camp in order to help you determine the relative merits and future direction of this ongoing debate. The opinions reflected in these articles of interest are not necessarily representative of NCC’s views.

    AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF THE DEBATE – AN OCEAN ORIENTATION

    Are Anthropogenic Greenhouse Gases or Natural Geophysical Forcings the Cause of Climate Change? – The Real Story Behind Global Warming:

    >>>>>>>>

    Precedent Geo-Magnetic Jerks, Earthquakes, Episodic Hydrothermal Venting/Ocean Warming:

    >>>>>>>>

    CASE STUDIES OF EPISODIC HYDROTHERMAL VENTING AS AN APPARENT DRIVER OF CLIMATE CHANGE

    >>>>>>>>

    http://naturalclimatechange.com/thedebate.html

    Described as “an incredibly detailed analysis” by AJStrata – I’m inclined to agree.

    Update To The Geothermal Basis For ENSO

    Published by AJStrata

    http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/18096

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  7. Richard C (NZ) says:
    February 22, 2012 at 7:59 am

    University of Auckland has had its head in the clouds

    Published: 6:15AM Wednesday February 22, 2012 Source: ONE News

    The University of Auckland has had its head in the clouds, and its conclusion is they are getting lower.

    The university looked at ten years of data from Nasa’s terra telescope to discover the average cloud height decresed by 1% over the past decade.

    The telescope showed fewer clouds were occuring at higher altitudes.

    Researchers believe a significant reduction in cloud height would lead to reducing the surface temperature of the planet and slowing global warming.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/technology-news/university-auckland-has-had-its-head-in-clouds-4736355

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  8. Richard C (NZ) says:
    February 23, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Repentance required for climate change ‘shrug culture’ say UK church leaders

    Posted on February 22, 2012 by Steve Milloy

    “The threat of runaway climate change is the most significant moral question facing us today.”

    Ekklesia reports:

    Church leaders from some of the UK’s biggest churches have made a call for ‘repentance’ over a prevailing ‘shrug-culture’ towards climate change.

    Rowan Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury, Rt Rev Richard Chartres, Bishop of London, Most Rev Barry Morgan, Archbishop of Wales, Cardinal Keith O’Brien, Archbishop of St Andrews and Edinburgh and leaders of the Methodist, Baptist and URC churches are among those signing Operation Noah’s Ash Wednesday Declaration.

    Runaway global warming would “diminish food security, accelerate the extinction of huge numbers of species and make human life itself impossible in some parts of the world” the statement says…

    http://junkscience.com/2012/02/22/repentance-required-for-climate-change-shrug-culture-say-uk-church-leaders/

    What’s the second-most significant moral question facing us today?

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  9. Richard C (NZ) says:
    March 9, 2012 at 7:59 am

    David Suzuki – “Lets’ suppose the world’s legitimate scientific institutions and academies, climate scientists, and most of the world’s governments are wrong.”

    http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Environment/Suzuki/2012/03/07/19470401.html

    OK by me David

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    • Andy says:
      March 9, 2012 at 12:09 pm

      Suzuki’s still stuck with that Big Oil conspiracy.
      They just won’t let it go.

      Reply
  10. Andy says:
    March 13, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    New theory: CO2 makes you fat

    March 11, 2012 – 02:02
    Danish researchers have announced a rather wild hypothesis: Perhaps we are getting fatter and fatter because of the increasing CO2 levels in the atmosphere.
    http://sciencenordic.com/new-theory-co2-makes-you-fat

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    • Richard C (NZ) says:
      March 13, 2012 at 8:43 pm

      “We breathe more CO2, which makes our blood more acidic; this affects our brain, so we want to eat more”

      Yikes! Blood acidification.

      What happens when the tipping point is reached – crowd crush at McDonalds?

      I’ve heard (second hand) that smoking marijuana has a similar effect.

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