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  1. Andy says:
    December 15, 2010 at 12:27 pm


    The Canadian military is racing to rescue more than 300 motorists who are trapped on a highway in the worst storm to hit Ontario in 25 years.
    Some people were trapped for nearly 24 hours with snow piled up so high they could not open the doors of their cars on Highway 402 outside the town of Sarnia.
    The military has mobilised a CC-130 Hercules airplane, two Griffons helicopters and an array of snowmobiles and four-wheel drive SUVs for the rescue effort.
    They have reached some motorists just in the nick of time

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1338454/Midwest-snow-storm-moves-east-threatens-cause-chaos-travel-Christmas.html

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  2. Andy says:
    December 15, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Activists who planned to shut down the UK’s second largest power station have been found guilty of conspiring to commit aggravated trespass.

    The 20 climate change protesters intended to invade the coal-fired station at Ratcliffe-on-Soar in Nottinghamshire, their trial was told.

    They were among more than 100 people arrested during a night-time raid at Iona School in Sneinton in April 2009

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-11992969

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  3. Andy says:
    December 21, 2010 at 8:04 am

    Towards an identity ecosystem.

    http://arthur.shumwaysmith.com/life/content/towards_an_identity_ecosystem

    This post explores the possibility of “attestable identities” This was brought up in relation to the Monbiot/North thread were comments were getting deleted from the Guardian

    Very Big Brother.

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  4. Richard C (NZ) says:
    December 27, 2010 at 11:13 am

    Let’s have a look at this
    ———————————————————————————————————————-
    Cold winters linked to ebbing Arctic ice

    5:30 AM Monday Dec 27, 2010 – New Zealand Herald

    Scientists have established a link between the cold, snowy winters in Britain and melting sea ice in the Arctic and have warned that long periods of freezing weather are likely to become more frequent.

    Okaaay

    An analysis of the ice-free regions of the Arctic Ocean has found that the higher temperatures there caused by global warming, which have melted the sea ice in the summer months, have paradoxically increased the chances of colder winters in Britain and the rest of northern Europe.

    1) “higher temperature” How was that measured Arctic-wide?

    [Hint: Thermometers in the Arctic are conspicuous by their absence]

    2) “caused by global warming” What global warming?

    [Hint: There's been no statistically significant global warming in the last 15 years, so a non-existent event is "causing" another un-measured event - apparently]

    3) “melted the sea ice” How?

    [Hint: The temperature of the atmosphere overhead doesn't melt sea ice - the ocean underneath does]

    4) “paradoxically increased the chances of colder winters” Really?

    [Hint: Colder winters in Europe have occurred in the past as a result of solar minimums - refer Maunder Minimum and Dalton Minimum. Now add to those the "Monbiot Minimum"]

    The researchers used computer models to assess the impact of the disappearing Arctic sea ice……..Their models found that, as the ice cap over the ocean disappeared, this allowed the heat of the relatively warm seawater to escape into the much colder atmosphere above, creating an area of high pressure surrounded by clockwise-moving winds that sweep down from the polar region over Europe and the British Isles.

    1) “Their models found” Models that are verified and validated?

    [Hint: How were the models parameterized with non-existent Arctic temperatures? What was the ocean-atmosphere heat transfer mechanism if models have not evolved to the point of incorporating conduction at the surface? What is their hindcast success (or otherwise)]

    2) “the heat” Heat (Q) in Arctic sea water – how much?

    [Hint: Salinity will allow sea temperatures to fall below 0 degrees Celcius so we really would like to know how much "heat"]

    the floating sea ice in winter insulates the relatively warm seawater from the bitterly cold temperatures of the air above it, which can be around -20C or -30C

    1) “air….-20C or -30C” This is where the “heat” is now?

    [Hint: If the "heat" from the ocean is released to the atmosphere, the temperature of the air will rise, will it not? So what were the before and after temperatures of the air?]

    I could go on but I see the name “Rahmsdorf” so nuff said.

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    • Richard Treadgold says:
      December 27, 2010 at 11:32 am

      Nice analysis and I always find your exploration of models illuminating. I would mention that studies have shown i) winds have moved sea ice out of the Arctic into warmer Atlantic waters, ii) ocean currents have moved warmer waters into the Arctic, melting the ice and warming the atmosphere. They are both regional events, nothing to do with global anything.

      Give me a couple of days, but this anaylsis will become a post. The Herald’s readers must be given a chance to hear a rebuttal to that nonsense.

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      • Richard C (NZ) says:
        December 27, 2010 at 1:41 pm

        And we’re the laymen.

        The paper was published in the Journal of Geophysical Research so there’s the possibility that someone from the science fraternity will write a more learned rebuttal in their lunch-break.

        The question is, now that the Herald has taken to publishing commentary on the latest scientific papers, will they publish the rebuttal in six months time? And what will be the headline then?

        Also, is this a one-off to steer public perception back to the path of enlightenment or will they publish other news from the steady stream of new papers e.g. this paper from the same Journal of Geophysical Research 10/29/2010:-

        Reconstruction of solar spectral irradiance since the Maunder minimum

        N. A. Krivova, L. E. A. Vieira, S. K. Solanki 2010

        New Paper: Solar UV activity increased almost 50% over past 400 years

        The TSI is estimated to have increased 1.25 W/m2 since the Maunder minimum as shown in the first graph below. Use of the Stefan-Boltzmann equation indicates that a 1.25 W/m2 increase in solar activity could account for an approximate .44C global temperature increase [the HADCRU global warming from 1850 to 2000 is .55C].

        This is highly significant because the UV portion of the solar spectrum is the most important for heating of the oceans due to the greatest penetration beyond the surface and highest energy levels. Solar UV is capable of penetrating the ocean to depths of several meters to cause ocean heating. whereas long wave infrared emission from “greenhouse gases” or the sun is only capable of penetrating the ocean surface a few microns with all energy lost to the phase change of evaporation with no net heating of the ocean.

        http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/open-threads/climate/climate-science/solar/#comment-33501

        I’m pickin we wont see that in the Herald though.

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      • Richard C (NZ) says:
        December 27, 2010 at 5:29 pm

        The model temperature was probably forced by NCEP/NCAR “reanalysis” of LAND stations north of 60 deg N from CRUTem 3v dataset as have been used by previous Potsdam Institute model simulations. This because there are NO weather stations in the middle of the Arctic ocean.

        http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/atmosphere.html

        The NOAA Arctic anomaly 60 – 90 deg N shows a very clear warm-cool-warm cycle with warming from 1965 – 2005 but the last data point 1 deg COOLER than that previous. So if heat was released from the ocean, it doesn’t show in the anomaly.

        There is also this contradiction from NOAA:-

        “While 2009 showed a slowdown in the rate of annual air temperature increases in the Arctic ………….. There continues to be significant excess heat storage in the Arctic Ocean at the end of summer due to continued near-record sea ice loss.”

        Then this corroboration:-

        “There is evidence that the effect of higher air temperatures in the lower Arctic atmosphere in fall is contributing to changes in the atmospheric circulation in both the Arctic and northern mid-latitudes. Winter 2009-2010 showed a new connectivity between mid-latitude extreme cold and snowy weather events and changes in the wind patterns of the Arctic; the so-called Warm Arctic-Cold Continents pattern.”

        Searching for – hindcast simulation arctic sea ice – turns up some work on this topic with one interesting letter:-

        “LIM3, an advanced sea-ice model for climate simulation and operational oceanography”

        http://www.astr.ucl.ac.be/users/vancop/WEB/Docs/Vancoppenolle_et_al_MERCATOR08.pdf

        “The Louvain-la-Neuve sea ice model (LIM) has been coupled to OPA (Ocean Parallélisé) almost 10 years ago, leading to significant successes in ice-ocean and climate simulations. Meanwhile, the development of LIM kept going on, leading to LIM3, a C-grid, dynamic-thermodynamic sea-ice model including the representation of the subgrid scale variations of ice thickness, enthalpy, salinity and age, which we describe in more detail in the next section.
        Then, the results of two 1970-2007 hindcasts performed with NEMO – one using LIM2 and the other using LIM3 – are compared to available observations of ice concentration, thickness and mixed layer depth.”

        [Note: The authors have previously advocated better physics and LIM3 is the resulting improvement over LIM2]

        “Conclusion and perspectives
        In this letter, we presented the new LIM3 sea ice model and reviewed the results of a 1970- 2007 hindcast simulation performed with NEMO using LIM2 / LIM3. The results show that NEMO-LIM3 produces mean sea ice coverage and thickness fields that compare significantly better to available observations. In addition, variability and trends in ice coverage, as well as patterns of anomalies are also better captured. This suggests that the inclusion of LIM3 would affect and probably improve the results of climate projections in coupled GCMs. Finally, the improved sea ice field also results in a better distribution of the convection sites in the North Atlantic. In conclusion, LIM3 is certainly a more accurate tool for ice-ocean and climate simulations as well as for operational oceanography. Further development, calibration and use of NEMO-LIM will continue during the next few years in Louvain-la-Neuve”
        ………………………………………………….
        So the question remains as to how sophisticated the physics of the Potsdam model(s) is(are) and do they use LIM and which version?

        The Petoukhov and Semenov paper was submitted in November 2009.

        A link between reduced Barents-Kara sea ice and cold winter extremes over northern continents

        Abstract
        The recent overall Northern Hemisphere warming was accompanied by several severe northern continental winters, as for example, extremely cold winter 2005–2006 in Europe and northern Asia. Here we show that anomalous decrease of wintertime sea ice concentration in the Barents-Kara (B-K) seas could bring about extreme cold events like winter 2005–2006. Our simulations with the ECHAM5 general circulation model demonstrate that lower-troposphere heating over the B-K seas in the Eastern Arctic caused by the sea ice reduction may result in strong anticyclonic anomaly over the Polar Ocean and anomalous easterly advection over northern continents. This causes a continental-scale winter cooling reaching −1.5°C, with more than 3 times increased probability of cold winter extremes over large areas including Europe. Our results imply that several recent severe winters do not conflict the global warming picture but rather supplement it, being in qualitative agreement with the simulated large-scale atmospheric circulation realignment. Furthermore, our results suggest that high-latitude atmospheric circulation response to the B-K sea ice decrease is highly nonlinear and characterized by transition from anomalous cyclonic circulation to anticyclonic one and then back again to cyclonic type of circulation as the B-K sea ice concentration gradually reduces from 100% to ice free conditions. We present a conceptual model that may explain the nonlinear local atmospheric response in the B-K seas region by counter play between convection over the surface heat source and baroclinic effect due to modified temperature gradients in the vicinity of the heating area.

        http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2010/2009JD013568.shtml

        So possibly ECHAM5 NEMO does parameterize ocean-atmosphere heat convection – I’ll have a look later.

        But note that “The recent overall Northern Hemisphere warming” does NOT refer to 2010 but to warming prior to Nov 2009. The NH has COOLED in 2010

        http://junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/UAHMSUNHem.html

        This lecture from 10 June 2010 EU COMBINE project,

        Sea-ice data assimilation in NEMO-LIM2 and -LIM3 using the Ensemble
        Kalman Filter

        http://www.combine-project.eu/fileadmin/user_upload/combine/20100609_GA1/Posters_Abstracts.pdf

        Indicates that LIM2 was more likely used by ECHAM5 NEMO in 2009 than LIM# as there are still problems integrating LIM3

        “We use the Ensemble Kalman Filter (EnKF) to assimilate either sea-ice concentration or seaice thickness data into the coupled ocean sea-ice models NEMO-LIM2 and -LIM3. Output from our data assimilation system is intended to be used to initialize decadal forecasts within the EU-project COMBINE. For now assimilated data is model generated (twin experiments).

        We find that assimilation of data of one variable in NEMO-LIM2 does not only improve the assimilated variable but also non-assimilated variables. Such cross-variable improvement is very promising considering the scarcity of polar data, particularly of sea-ice thickness. We also show preliminary results of data assimilation experiments into the new version of our sea-ice model, NEMO-LIM3, where data assimilation does not yet lead to the expected results.”
        ——————————————————————————————————————–
        Just the heat convection question to answer but it’s not a pretty picture so far.

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      • Richard C (NZ) says:
        December 27, 2010 at 10:54 pm

        Conduction – not convection, got confused by the abstract.

        Ocean Heat: Solar Gain – Loss to Atmosphere
        Solar Radiation: …+168 watts per square meter (SW)
        Net Back Radiation: -66 watts per square meter (LW)
        Conduction: ……..-24 watts per square meter
        Latent Heat: ………-78 watts per square meter

        Sea-Air Heat Exchange http://eesc.columbia.edu/courses/ees/climate/lectures/o_atm.html

        Model Information of Potential Use to the IPCC Lead Authors and the AR4. ECHAM5_MPI-OM

        3. list of variables passed between components:
        a. atmosphere – ocean: heat, freshwater, momentum, 10m wind speed, solar radiation, sea surface temperature, ocean surface current (u,v components)

        http://www-pcmdi.llnl.gov/ipcc/model_documentation/ECHAM5_MPI-OM.htm

        However, we are looking for atmosphere-sea ice-ocean coupling.

        “Influence of coupling on atmosphere, sea ice and ocean regional models in the Ross Sea sector, Antarctica”

        Nicolas C. Jourdain • Pierre Mathiot • Hubert Galle´e • Bernard Barnier Received: 11 September 2009 / Accepted: 23 July 2010
        Copyright Springer-Verlag 2010

        http://www.springerlink.com/content/1544613222vp8n27/fulltext.pdf

        Abstract Air–sea ice–ocean interactions in the Ross Sea sector form dense waters that feed the global thermohaline circulation. In this paper, we develop the new limited-area ocean–sea ice–atmosphere coupled model TANGO to simulate the Ross Sea sector. TANGO is built up by coupling the atmospheric limited-area model MAR to a regional configuration of the ocean–sea ice model NEMO. A method is then developed to identify the mechanisms by which local coupling affects the simulations. TANGO is shown to simulate realistic sea ice properties and atmospheric surface temperatures. These skills are mostly related to the skills of the stand alone atmospheric and oceanic models used to build TANGO. Nonetheless, air temperatures over ocean and winter sea ice thickness are found to be slightly improved in coupled simulations as compared to standard stand alone ones. Local atmosphere ocean feedbacks over the open ocean are found to significantly influence ocean temperature and salinity. In a stand alone ocean configuration, the dry and cold air produces an ocean cooling through sensible and latent heat loss. In a coupled configuration, the atmosphere is in turn moistened and warmed by the ocean; sensible and latent heat loss is therefore reduced as compared to the stand alone simulations.

        [Why?]

        5.2.2 Effects of coupled processes
        The effect of the local feedback is probably amplified over sea ice as compared to the effect over open ocean because of heat conduction within sea ice. Any SST anomaly is indeed quickly mixed in the ocean surface layer, whereas heat conduction within sea ice is relatively slow (the characteristic time of conduction through ice of thickness 0.5 m is estimated to 2.5 days). As a consequence, the feedback of surface temperature to heat fluxes could be stronger over sea ice than over open ocean in limited-area simulations [Among other things]

        [Note Tango uses NEMO2.0 LIM2]

        Conclusion
        The effects of local feedbacks are increased in presence of sea ice. It is suggested that heat conduction within sea ice could amplify the feedbacks. We find that local feedbacks result in less sea ice production in coupled mode, [Among other things]

        ———————————————————————————————————————
        Did Petoukhov and Semenov know about the Jourdain et al paper and LIM2-LIM3 progression?

        Because the result of that shows that until Messers Petoukhov and Semenov deploy ECHAM5 NEMO3.0 LIM3 with atmosphere-sea ice-ocean coupling, the heat transfer at the surface (conduction through sea ice) is inadequately modeled (parameterized) and the physics needs improving from LIM2 to LIM3.

        i.e. There’s still aways to go in model evolution and the conclusion is premature in addition to their speculation. The configuration they used:-

        1) Produced too much sea ice (not enough ocean heat gain from solar).

        2) Produced too much heat flux over sea ice (too much ocean heat loss through sea ice).

        The same simulations using an up-graded configuration might output an even greater Arctic atmospheric temperature rise – it’s worse than we thought.

        Then the simulations have to be compared to observations (Modeled vs Observed). i.e. They have speculated on qualitative agreement but what about quantitative agreement? That exercise wont make the newspaper headlines though.

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    • Andy says:
      December 27, 2010 at 12:21 pm

      This is just a syndicated version of an Independent article than ran a few days ago.

      Richard North did a piece on this
      http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/12/transient-phenomenon.html

      “The immaculate conception of climate change”

      No one in Britain takes these clowns seriously anymore (apart from the government and Guardian readers).

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  5. Andy says:
    December 27, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Severe blizzard conditions in NE USA

    http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/12/its-local-event.html

    I was getting this via Facebook too, with friends stuck in airports over there

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  6. Andy says:
    December 27, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    “Big freeze gives way to brief thaw before more snow and ice”

    Looks like a brief thaw before another return to freezing conditions in the UK:

    (not sure whose forecast this is though)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/8225719/Big-freeze-gives-way-to-brief-thaw-before-more-snow-and-ice.html

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  7. Richard C (NZ) says:
    December 29, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    Time Magazine Goes Full Stupid

    The Northeast Blizzard: One More Sign of Global Warming

    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2010/12/28/time-magazine-goes-full-stupid/

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  8. Andy says:
    January 3, 2011 at 8:21 am

    Bastardi and Corbyn respond to the Met Office

    http://autonomousmind.wordpress.com/2011/01/02/bastardi-and-corbyn-reply/

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  9. Richard C (NZ) says:
    January 4, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Dave Barry’s 2010 Year in Review

    FEBRUARY

    In other sports news, the Vancouver Winter Olympics begin on an uncertain note when it is discovered that Vancouver — apparently nobody realized this ahead of time — is a seaside city with a mild climate, so there is no snow.

    MARCH

    On a more hopeful note, on March 27 people in more than 4,000 cities around the world turn off their lights in observance of Earth Hour, saving an estimated 45 million megawatts of electricity — enough to power one of Al Gore’s houses for nearly three days.

    DECEMBER

    The federal government will continue to fund a “green energy” program under which corn is converted into ethanol, which is then converted back into corn, which is then planted to grow more corn. This will cost $5 billion a year, but it is expected to create or save literally dozens of Iowa jobs.

    On the environmental front, delegates from 193 countries at the U.N. Climate Change Conference in Cancún, Mexico, pass a resolution stating that they should not have had those last four rounds of margaritas.

    Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/01/01/1992746_p4/dave-barrys-2010-year-in-review.html#ixzz1A0bGu8kL

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  10. Andy says:
    January 4, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Germany Passes Energy Tyranny Act – Will Force Energy Rationing

    By P Gosselin on 3. Januar 2011

    This is serious. A new law has been passed by the German government, quietly and almost unnoticed. Soon in the future, the government will tell its citizens how much energy they can consume.

    If the German State can pass this, then it can pretty much do whatever the hell it damn well pleases.

    Gone are the days of a government that is there to serve its citizens. Here to stay is a group of elitists who are going to boss the citizens around and tell them how to live.

    http://notrickszone.com/2011/01/03/germany-passes-energy-tyranny-act-will-force-energy-rationing/

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  11. Andy says:
    January 5, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Chris de Freitas in the NZ Herald today

    Unlike most other hot button environmental issues, global warming is widely misunderstood. As a climate scientist thinking about this, it struck me that it was not surprising since accounts of the scientific basics of global warming almost never appear anywhere in the press.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10697845

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  12. Andy says:
    January 9, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Booker:

    The Met Office fries while the rest of the world freezes
    As the Met Office desperately tries to salvage its reputation, another of this ‘warm’ winter’s ice disasters is unfolding in the Sea of Okhotsk, writes Christopher Booker.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8248146/The-Met-Office-fries-while-the-rest-of-the-world-freezes.html

    The drama in the sea of Okhotsk is one I have been following on EURef. There are hundreds of sailors stuck in the ice, their lives at threat.

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  13. Andy says:
    January 13, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    Study: Banded penguins die sooner, skewing climate data

    http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/environment/2011-01-12-banded-penguins_N.htm?csp=34news

    Attach a band to the penguin, makes it harder for them to swim, then they die.

    Welcome to climate science 101

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  14. Andy says:
    January 25, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    The BBC became a propaganda machine for climate change zealots, says Peter Sissons… and I was treated as a lunatic for daring to dissent

    By Peter Sissons

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350206/BBC-propaganda-machine-climate-change-says-Peter-Sissons.html#ixzz1C1fa8W32

    This is not news to me, but interesting to see it in the MSM

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  15. Andy says:
    January 28, 2011 at 11:51 am

    The Daily Bayonet’s Weekly roundup

    As always a great read

    http://dailybayonet.com/?p=7844

    The quotes from Chris Evans (BBC Radio 2 presenter) are just priceless.

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  16. Andy says:
    January 28, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Green Writer for BBC, Guardian, Demands: End Farming, Dismantle Civilization.

    Dr John Feeney is a prominent green campaigner who has written for the Guardian newspaper, the BBC, and many other Green journals and websites. He was the winner of the 2007 ECO award. In 2009 he received the Global Media award from the Population Institute for his work.

    Now this award-winning Greenie has joined the growing list of ecologists and activists who are saying that the root of the problem is agriculture, which enables humans to “circumvent” nature’s sacred limits and build earth-destroying civilizations. Like many others, he accuses us of being in “denial” over the need to return to a hunter-gatherer way of life:

    Read more here:

    http://hauntingthelibrary.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/green-writer-for-bbc-guardian-demands-end-of-farming-dismantle-civilization/

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  17. Richard C (NZ) says:
    February 1, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Bankers learn climate science

    Monday, January 31, 2011 – Washington Post

    At the woods’ edge, small groups of HSBC technology managers, armed with clipboards and measuring tapes, meticulously determine the circumference of specially tagged trees down to a tenth of an inch. They’re wearing bright orange vests because it’s deer-hunting season, and though field science isn’t in their job descriptions, their employer, HSBC bank, wants them to understand climate change.

    HSBC joined with Earthwatch Institute in 2007 in a $100 million partnership to train 2,000 bank employees in climate change science and conduct the largest-ever field experiment looking at the long-term effects of climate change on forests. In five climate centers on four continents, bank workers — from cashiers to staff in marketing, human resources, technology services and call centers — become so-called “Climate Champions” through two-week trainings, during which they meet with scientists, learn about sustainability and contribute to the international study.

    “Everyone comes in with a different background,” says Anna Janovicz, a learning and communications manager at Earthwatch, “and the light bulb that goes off is different for everybody.”

    For Wa’il Ashshowwaf, from HSBC’s D.C. office, the light bulb was realizing that rising sea levels may change our global landscape within our lifetimes.

    Continues……….

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  18. Andy says:
    February 3, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    Fred Pearce writes about the Lisbon conference on climate reconciliation:


    Climate sceptics offer a peace deal. Well, no it wasn’t quite like that. But in Lisbon, Portugal, last week, I joined a group of 28 climate scientists, bloggers and professional contrarians who spent three days discussing how to encourage reconciliation in the increasing fractious debate about the science of climate change.

    The meeting was the brainchild of University of Oxford science philosopher Jerry Ravetz, an 81-year-old Greenpeace member who fears Al Gore may have done as much damage to environmentalism as Joseph Stalin did to socialism. Post-Climategate, he found climate science characterised by “a poisoned atmosphere” in which “each side accuses the other of being corrupt”. Mainstream researchers were labelled “ideologues on the gravy train”, while sceptics were denigrated as “prostitutes and cranks”.

    His dream of an instant rapprochement in Lisbon didn’t come off. The eventual make-up of the workshop, paid for by the European Commission, was too lopsided in favour of the sceptical camp.

    Those making the trip included heroes of the sceptics such as statistician Steve McIntyre and economist Ross McKitrick, plus writers and bloggers such as Steve Mosher, the man who broke the Climategate story, and “heretical” scientists such as Georgia Tech’s Judy Curry and Peter Webster.

    Avowed non-sceptics included Hans von Storch, a lead author for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and James Risbey of CSIRO. But the leaders of mainstream climate science turned down the gig, including NASA’s Gavin Schmidt, who said the science was settled so there was nothing to discuss.

    http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2011/02/climate-sceptics-scientists-at.html

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  19. Andy says:
    March 19, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Google takes on climate sceptics

    http://solveclimatenews.com/news/20110318/google-climate-change-fellows-science-new-media

    Check out the comments on the blog. Not a good move for “Don’t be evil”

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  20. Andy says:
    March 23, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    This looks like an interesting book:

    Confessions of a Greenpeace Dropout: The Making of a Sensible Environmentalist

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Confessions-Greenpeace-Dropout-Sensible-Environmentalist/dp/0986480827

    The single book review is worth a read a rings a few bells for me.

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  21. Richard C (NZ) says:
    June 30, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Heartland Institute’s Sixth International Conference on Climate Change (ICCC-6), Washington, DC, June 3, 2011

    “The theme of ICCC-6, ‘Restoring the Scientific Method,’ highlights the reliance of claims of scientific certainty and predictions of climate catastrophes on post-normal science, which substitutes claims of consensus for the scientific method.”

    Lineup includes:-

    * Timothy Ball, Ph.D., environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. He was recently sued for libel by Michael Mann, a prominent figure in the Climategate scandal.

    * Barry Brill, OBE, New Zealand barrister and solicitor. He is a former minister of science & technology and minister of energy, and is currently chairman of the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition.

    * Alan Carlin, Ph.D., former senior analyst and manager at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. In March 2009 he authored a highly critical internal review of EPA’s draft report on endangerment from greenhouse gases, which led him to become a whistle-blower.

    * Robert “Bob” Carter, Hon. FRSNZ, research professor at James Cook University (Queensland, Australia), where he was head of the School of Earth Sciences between 1981 and 1999. He is author of Climate: The Counter Consensus.

    * Scott Denning, Ph.D., professor of atmospheric science at Colorado State University. Denning believes in man-caused global warming and spoke last year at the Fourth International Conference on Climate Change in Chicago.

    * Christopher Horner, J.D., senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute and author of Red Hot Lies: How Global Warming Alarmists Use Threats, Fraud and Deception to Keep You Misinformed.

    * Craig Idso, Ph.D., chairman of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change and coauthor of Climate Change Reconsidered: The 2009 Report of the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change.

    * Robert O. Mendelsohn, Ph.D., Edwin Weyerhaeuser Davis Professor of Forest Policy & Professor of Economics at Yale University and author of the forthcoming book Climate Change and Agriculture: An Economic Analysis of Global Impacts, Adaptation, and Distributional Effects.

    * Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D., distinguished senior fellow in the School of Public Policy at George Mason University and a senior fellow in environmental policy at the Cato Institute. He is a past president of the American Association of State Climatologists and was program chair for the Committee on Applied Climatology of the American Meteorological Society and editor of the new book Climate Coup: Global Warming’s Invasion of Our Government and Our Lives.

    * Marc Morano, executive editor and chief correspondent for ClimateDepot.com, a global warming and eco-news center founded in 2009. Morano served for three years as a senior advisor, speechwriter, and climate researcher for the U.S. Senate Environment and Public Works Committee.

    * Nicola Scafetta, Ph.D., research scientist in the Duke University Physics Department. His research interests are in theoretical and applied statistics and nonlinear models of complex processes. He has published peer-reviewed papers in journals covering a wide variety of disciplines, including astronomy, biology, climatology, economics, and physics.

    * Harrison Schmitt, Ph.D., is a former NASA astronaut and U.S. Senator. He is the twelfth and last person to set foot on the Moon. He served as chair of the NASA Advisory Council and is currently adjunct professor of engineering physics at the University of Wisconsin – Madison. He is a field geologist who received a Ph.D. from Harvard University.

    * David Schnare, Ph.D., J.D., senior fellow for energy and the environment for the Thomas Jefferson Institute for Public Policy. He is an attorney and scientist with 32 years of federal and private-sector experience consulting on and litigating local, state, federal, and international environmental legislative, regulatory, risk management, and free-market environmentalism issues.

    * S. Fred Singer, Ph.D., founder and president of the Science and Environmental Policy Project, coauthor of Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1500 Years and Climate Change Reconsidered, and professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia.

    * Willie Soon, Ph.D., astrophysicist and a geoscientist at the Solar, Stellar and Planetary Sciences Division of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.

    * Roy W. Spencer, Ph.D., principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville where he directs a variety of climate research projects. He is the author of several books, including most recently, The Great Global Warming Blunder.

    * James M. Taylor, J.D., senior fellow for environment policy at The Heartland Institute and managing editor of its Environment & Climate News. He writes Climate Change Weekly, a Heartland e-newsletter, and a weekly column on climate change issues for Forbes.com.

    * David G. Tuerck, Ph.D., executive director of the Beacon Hill Institute, and professor and chairman of the Suffolk University Department of Economics.

    * Anthony Watts, a 25-year broadcast meteorology veteran and currently chief meteorologist for KPAY-AM radio. He hosts the popular climate change blog Wattsupwiththat.com and a Web site at surfacestations.org devoted to photographing and documenting the quality of weather stations across the U.S.

    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/6/prweb8608147.htm

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    • Andy says:
      June 30, 2011 at 10:21 am

      Sounds great. Maybe Barry Brill could post up something here about his trip.

      Reply
  22. Richard C (NZ) says:
    June 30, 2011 at 10:03 am

    “Good” news from Google: We’ll allegedly use vastly more electric cars by 2030. “bad” news: They’ll be powered by coal

    http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2011/06/news-from-google-we-allegedly-use.html

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  23. Richard C (NZ) says:
    October 8, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Map: The Climate Change Scare Machine — the perpetual self-feeding cycle of alarm

    Climate Change Scare Machine Cycle: see how your tax dollars are converted into alarming messages

    http://joannenova.com.au/2011/10/map-the-climate-change-scare-machine-the-perpetual-self-feeding-cycle-of-alarm/
    *******************************************************************************************************
    This is an amazing depiction and documentation of the “scare machine” and has really backfired on Time Magazine, The New York Times and others pushing a “denier machine” meme I think

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  24. Richard C (NZ) says:
    November 2, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Borenstein “obtains” a draft IPCC report, spins it up on the coat-tails of “similar” events, and media editors dutifully spread the joy.

    APNewsbreak: Panel says wild weather worsens

    By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer

    WASHINGTON — Freakish weather disasters — from the sudden October snowstorm in the Northeast U.S. to the record floods in Thailand — are striking more often. And global warming is likely to spawn more similar weather extremes at a huge cost, says a draft summary of an international climate report obtained by The Associated Press.

    The final draft of the report from a panel of the world’s top climate scientists paints a wild future for a world already weary of weather catastrophes costing billions of dollars. The report says costs will rise and perhaps some locations will become “increasingly marginal as places to live.”

    The report from the Nobel Prize-winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change will be issued in a few weeks, after a meeting in Uganda. It says there is at least a 2-in-3 probability that climate extremes have already worsened because of man-made greenhouse gases.

    This marks a change in climate science from focusing on subtle changes in daily average temperatures to concentrating on the harder-to-analyze freak events that grab headlines, cause economic damage and kill people. The most recent bizarre weather extreme, the pre-Halloween snowstorm, is typical of the damage climate scientists warn will occur — but it’s not typical of the events they tie to global warming.

    >>>>>>>>>

    http://www.wral.com/news/science/story/10321244/

    “Freakish weather disasters….are striking more often” apparently.

    Get ready for a very alarming IPCC report to be released soon in an effort to hype up COP17 Durban.

    One question: how exactly was Thailand’s massive flood plain (the size of Florida with Bangkok at the base) formed, except by massive floods?

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    • Andy says:
      November 2, 2011 at 8:48 am

      Seth Borenstein, this guy?

      AP’s Seth Borenstein is just too damn cozy with the people he covers – time for AP to do something about it

      http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/12/aps-seth-borenstein-is-just-too-damn-cozy-with-the-people-he-covers-time-for-ap-to-do-somethig-about-it/

      or this one?
      Long sad history of AP reporter Seth Borenstein’s woeful global warming reporting

      http://www.climatedepot.com/a/2546/Long-sad-history-of-AP-reporter-Seth-Borensteins-woeful-global-warming-reporting

      yet the NZ “media” dutifully regurgitate his words.

      (These were the top two search results when Googling his name)

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    • Richard C (NZ) says:
      November 2, 2011 at 6:26 pm

      Looks like AFP “obtained” a copy of the draft report too:-

      Climate change linked to extreme weather

      AFP

      A draft UN report three years in the making concludes that man-made climate change has boosted the frequency or intensity of heat waves, wildfires, floods and cyclones and that such disasters are likely to increase in the future.

      The document being discussed by the world’s Nobel-winning panel of climate scientists says the severity of the impacts vary, and some regions are more vulnerable than others.

      Hundreds of scientists working under the Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change (IPCC) will vet the phonebook-sized draft at a meeting in Kampala of the 194-nation body later this month.

      [...]

      AFP obtained a copy of the draft report’s 20-page Summary for Policymakers, which is subject to revision by governments before release on November 18.

      Most of these events match predicted impacts of manmade global warming, which has raised temperatures, increased the amount of water in the atmosphere and warmed ocean surface temperatures — all drivers of extreme weather.

      But teasing apart the role of natural fluctuations in the weather and rising levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere has proven devilishly difficult for scientists.

      [...]

      The new report’s main conclusions about future trends include:

      - It is “virtually certain” — 99-100% sure — that the frequency and magnitude of warm daily temperature extremes will increase over the 21st century on a global scale;

      >>>>>>>>>

      http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/climate-change-linked-to-extreme-weather-20111101-1mu3a.html

      The re-re-framing of AGW via complicit media

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    • Richard C (NZ) says:
      November 2, 2011 at 6:39 pm

      LA Times “obtained” a copy

      You Have Got To Be Kidding – A Los Angeles Times Article Titled “‘Snowtober’ Fits U.N. Climate Change Predictions”

      [...]

      The historic snowstorm in the northeast United States a few days ago was due to an unusually far south Polar jet stream for this time of the year, and colder than average temperatures associated with the east coast storm. To claim that this event fits with the IPCC climate change predictions is ridiculous. The article reads as an op-ed in the guise of a news article.

      http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2011/11/01/you-have-got-to-be-kidding-a-los-angeles-times-article-titled-snowtober-fits-u-n-climate-change-predictions/

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  25. Anthropogenic Global Cooling says:
    December 2, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    The NZHerald are no longer even trying to hide the fact that they are altering webpage links by sceptics in the comments on AGW articles to make them inoperable. Check out this story:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10769953

    Now look at the comment by ‘NZCimate (New Zealand) 11:46 AM Friday, 2 Dec 2011′

    His link has been altered so the word corruption is now ‘climategate-2-and-c*********-of-peer-review/’

    I wrote a reply to it pointing out the alteration and showing it should be ‘corruption’. Looking at the preview in my account, it is appearing as the following:

    ‘I see the NZHerald moderators have been altering peoples links again when they point to things that go against their personal beliefs. The missing part of the link that someone from the Herald has removed should read -c*********-of-peer-review/
    Sums up the AGW crowd really, or as Phil Jones would say – ‘hide the decline’. Such a shame that a great newspaper such as the NZ Herald has let their standards slip so far.’

    I’ve caught the moderators doing it over & over & have let the editors know repeatedly but they let it continue.

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    • Richard C (NZ) says:
      December 2, 2011 at 6:18 pm

      Message received and transmitted to comments (I’m Nonentity at NZ Herald BTW)

      Anthropogenic Global Cooling – Ha!, gets me every time.

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      • Anthropogenic Global Cooling says:
        December 3, 2011 at 8:00 am

        I think I might give up on the NZ Herald. There’s only a tiny handful of deluded AGW believers left as the others have given up, and the drop in the amount of comments there shows that either everyone’s had enough of AGW, or they are sick of the tabloid journalism at the Herald’s sacred alter to climate change. Jeez, the moderators there are starting to resemble John Cook, I’m just wondering how long before they start altering people’s comments as well as the web links they provide.

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  26. Anthropogenic Global Cooling says:
    December 3, 2011 at 7:36 am

    (To the moderator – Richard C posted something to this thread yesterday and it isn’t appearing. If the ‘older comments’ link is clicked it shows 127 comments, but when the ‘newer comments’ link is clicked it shows 126 comments. The comment is missing in action. Could you please check it out as I’m quite interested to see what it says? Many Thanks.)

    [I've searched for this but come up empty. There's nothing caught in the spam trap and nothing awaiting moderation. Any clue to its content? Perhaps Richard C might enlighten us? - RT]

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    • Richard C (NZ) says:
      December 3, 2011 at 8:38 am

      RT, AGC has copied a comment submitted to NZ Herald, not CCG sorry.

      AGC, it takes a while for the Herald mods to post up the comments so give it time. It may not be cleared over the weekend but here’s hoping. BTW the comment count is 27 not 127.

      I’ve had problems with Herald comments in the past but it turned out to be a an automated correction feature that alters spelling, changes caps e.g. NOAA to noaa and generally stuffs everything up including formatting..

      How that feature could change corruption to c********* beats me though but there is 9 * (wild cards?) so either it’s the auto-correction or the Editor was very careful.

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      • Richard Treadgold says:
        December 3, 2011 at 8:48 am

        RT, AGC has copied a comment submitted to NZ Herald, not CCG sorry.

        OK.

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      • Richard C (NZ) says:
        December 5, 2011 at 7:34 am

        My comment has been posted this morning but the question to the Editors as to why the word “corruption” in NZ Climate’s link had been corrupted is deleted and the corruption remains in the link.

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        • Anthropogenic Global Cooling says:
          December 5, 2011 at 9:45 am

          They deleted my comment on the changing of the weblink also. Usually they just change 1 character so that the poster doesn’t notice, but now they don’t even try to hide what they’re doing. I think they have a greenie as a moderator or editor, but it only happens some times which suggests that not all their moderators are at it. The thing that gets up my nose is the editor allows it to happen – I’ve sent numerous emails alerting him to the fact. It exposes the decline of the journalistic standards at the NZ Herald – the paper is starting to look like the Guardian or the BBC, and the editorial practices are resembling John Cook’s altering of comments on his scepticalscience.conjob website.

        • Richard C (NZ) says:
          December 6, 2011 at 11:57 am

          Curious that when when Gandalf posts a comment, BEST reads BEST but when I submit a comment BEST reads best.

          Gandalf must have friends in Herald places, either that or he’s in the place.

        • Anthropogenic Global Cooling says:
          December 6, 2011 at 2:13 pm

          I often wonder whether Gandalf works for the NZ Herald, it wouldn’t surprise me. I’ve been reading the comments for about 5 yrs now & he was there before I started. He lies his ass off & when you back him into a corner he’ll just start back at the beginning of the debate again like nothing happened. I see he’s just said that the ACT party believe the ‘climates been cooling for the last 100 years’. There’s only one thing worse than a lying nutter, & that’s a know-it-all lying nutter.

          Comment 02:07 PM Tuesday, 6 Dec 2011

          http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10771213

        • Andy says:
          December 6, 2011 at 8:41 pm

          More propaganda from The Herald, this time from Greenpeace’s Cindy Baxter

          http://www.nzherald.co.nz/greenpeace/news/article.cfm?o_id=320&objectid=10380264

      • Andy says:
        December 5, 2011 at 10:19 am

        Speaking of John Cook, I see that SkS have now released the “debunking handbook”

        http://www.skepticalscience.com/Debunking-Handbook-now-freely-available-download.html

        Some fun comments in the thread

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  27. Anthropogenic Global Cooling says:
    December 3, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    Hi Richard T. There’s something wrong with the comments on this page. As I mentioned previously a comment wasn’t visible, but when I posted about it it reappeared. Now that both you & Richard C have since posted the comments are disappearing again. I’ve tried both Safari on a Mac & Firefox on Windows but the result is the same. You can delete this comment after you’ve read it if you like.

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    • Richard Treadgold says:
      December 3, 2011 at 1:55 pm

      Ok. So this comment has appeared, because I can see it.

      What leads you to say that “the comments are disappearing again”?

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      • Anthropogenic Global Cooling says:
        December 3, 2011 at 2:42 pm

        After I posted my ‘to the moderator’ post at December 3, 2011 at 7:36 am both of the posts by Richard C @ December 3, 2011 at 8:38 & yourself @ December 3, 2011 at 8:48 wouldn’t show. I knew they were there as I could see that you’d both posted in the Latest Comments on the right side of the page. Also when I clicked the Older Comments link the amount of comments would show more (131), but when I clicked back to Newer Comments the last one was my original at December 2, 2011 at 4:11 pm, & the number of comments was back to 127. Having said that your latest one seems ok.

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        • Richard Treadgold says:
          December 3, 2011 at 2:54 pm

          Well, I appreciate your feedback, AGC, and the trouble you’ve gone to, thanks.

          Just one puzzling point: at 1:51pm, when you said “the comments are disappearing again”, do you think you were mistaken?

          I think the important thing is that the comments are fixed now. We can probably put the strange behaviour earlier down to the fact that the database was confused. I and other posters were updating several things simultaneously and our separate caches were in different states. As long as it’s now well behaved I think I can relax.

          If you have no objection within a few hours, I’ll delete this little exchange.

  28. Anthropogenic Global Cooling says:
    December 3, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    Sorry Richard but it’s done it again. I need to post something to see what you just said. it doesn’t matter so much to me, but I’m wondering if I’m the only one.

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    • Richard Treadgold says:
      December 3, 2011 at 3:06 pm

      Yes, I’m a bit concerned too. But it’s working for me. Just a thought: you must be refreshing the page just to see that there’s a new comment, right? So this advice won’t help. But, to refresh the view, you press F5. You know about that?

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  29. Anthropogenic Global Cooling says:
    December 3, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    Feel free to delete it all Richard.

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  30. Anthropogenic Global Cooling says:
    December 3, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    I didn’t know about the F5. I’ve seen this sort of thing before but it usually comes right after 30 mins. or so. Hopefully it’s just a temporary glitch. I’ll keep an eye on it for you if you like & let you know if it’s continuing on a longer term.

    Damn computers always seem to develop a mind of their own every once in a while.

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    • Richard Treadgold says:
      December 3, 2011 at 3:27 pm

      Right. What I was thinking of was that, instead of waiting that 30 mins or so for the cache to update itself, you might try pressing F5, which forces an immediate refresh. Then you might see the displayed comments match the number of comments reported in the sidebar. Let me know!

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  31. Anthropogenic Global Cooling says:
    December 3, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    I tried the f5 key but it doesn’t refresh. Perhaps it’s because I’m using Safari.

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    • Richard Treadgold says:
      December 3, 2011 at 3:53 pm

      Yes, could be. I’d look for the equivalent, something like View | Refresh.

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      • Anthropogenic Global Cooling says:
        December 3, 2011 at 4:08 pm

        I used the refresh button but it gave the same results. It seems ok now.

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        • Andy says:
          December 3, 2011 at 8:11 pm

          Ctrl F5 does a fuller refresh than just F5

  32. a says:
    December 7, 2011 at 11:08 am

    a

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  33. Andy says:
    December 7, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Super-Monckton parachutes into Durban
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4I9PoOjPa_w

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  34. Richard C (NZ) says:
    December 7, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    This Richard Black BBC article is a keeper (and the quote is stellar):-

    Climate models yield confidence question

    As a policymaker, as a business leader, as a citizen, would you make decisions on the basis of these models?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16049028

    I did NOT expect to be reading THIS from the BBC around this time of year.

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  35. Richard C (NZ) says:
    December 17, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Can it get any sillier?

    Egg gas finding a rotten result for free-range hens

    EGGS from caged hens produce fewer greenhouse gas emissions than free range eggs, a new report has found, prompting calls for carbon footprint labelling to be used on all food products in Australia.

    A report for the Australian Egg Corporation, which represents most egg farmers, found that free range egg production’s carbon footprint in Australia was about 20 per cent higher than caged production.

    The main reason was because free range egg production uses more feed per kilogram of eggs produced than caged egg production, the report, which was half-funded by the federal government, found.

    The report also found that egg production had a lower carbon footprint than several European egg studies, mainly due to more efficient grain production in Australia.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/egg-gas-finding-a-rotten-result-for-freerange-hens-20111216-1oyic.html#ixzz1glhNJXI0

    Free range hens consume more feed per kilogram of eggs produced than caged hens – duh!

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    • Andy says:
      December 18, 2011 at 4:55 pm

      I hope, that come the revolution, there are enough lamppost vacancies for the fools who come up with this kind of rubbish

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  36. Anthropogenic Global Cooling says:
    December 20, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    It seems that the NZ Guardian (I mean Herald) now just removes your ability to comment on climate change articles if you don’t tow the pro AGW line. After having a few comments published my ability to comment has disappeared – the button to ‘ADD’ comment is non existent whilst other people are still commenting. I can still comment on other articles, just not the Jim Hopkins one:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/climate-change/news/article.cfm?c_id=26&objectid=10773421

    I knew I shouldn’t have wasted my time reading that stupid leftie tabloid journalist rag.

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    • Andy says:
      December 20, 2011 at 12:47 pm

      Did you try a different IP address? I’d be interested in how they are blocking you. Cookie maybe?

      There’s plenty of sceptical comments on that thread.

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    • Richard C (NZ) says:
      December 20, 2011 at 1:24 pm

      I’ve been blocked from seeing the comments (probably a good thing though).

      The comments box comes and goes but I haven’t bothered to try adding anything.

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      • Andy says:
        December 20, 2011 at 1:30 pm

        Sheesh you guys are paranoid.

        I think there maybe browser or other issues.

        Try a different browser, unplug the modem to get an IP refresh, clear the cookies, but I don’t believe anyone at Das Herald is smart enough to block you.

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        • Richard C (NZ) says:
          December 20, 2011 at 2:40 pm

          You’re right Andy – tried a different browser and I can see comments.

  37. Anthropogenic Global Cooling says:
    December 20, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    Tried a different browser on another computer with Windows instead of Mac OS X with the same result. I can comment on other articles but not this one, even though I’ve commented already about 4 times (maybe they have a limit). I might be paranoid, but I’ve caught them altering web links a good 10 times previously in comments (very unlikely to be automated) & here we have the comments box disappearing when I start skewering the greenies. The worst part is that it looks like I’ve run away from their counterarguments dammit, at the hands of that imbecile Gandalf no less.

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    • Andy says:
      December 20, 2011 at 4:04 pm

      Most likely explanation is that they have a limit of 4 comments. There are so many sceptical views that it seems unlikely that they are blocking you

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  38. Richard Treadgold says:
    December 21, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    I have to wonder what some of you might be doing wrong. I’ve just had a quick count on the first few screens of comments on Jim’s article and noticed eight comments from me. I think there are more, but they were all published as I submitted them. They always took some hours to appear, but they don’t appear to have been interfered with in any way, nor has my ability to create new comments been restricted. I want to check that, but it’ll take until tomorrow. I’ve got more enjoyable things to do!

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  39. a says:
    December 21, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    b

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  40. Richard C (NZ) says:
    December 28, 2011 at 7:40 am

    Abertawe yn un QPR sero

    Posted on December 27, 2011 by Steven Goddard

    A fydd abertawe yn gwneud y deg uchaf?

    http://www.real-science.com/abertawe-yn-qpr-sero#comments

    Thought you’d all like to know.

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  41. Mike Jowsey says:
    December 30, 2011 at 8:38 am

    I think this article is worthy of the News post.
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/12/29/unified-theory-of-climate/

    Unified Theory of Climate
    Posted on December 29, 2011 by Anthony Watts

    This finding leads to a new and very different paradigm of climate controls. Results from our research are combined with those from other studies to propose a new Unified Theory of Climate, which explains a number of phenomena that the current theory fails to explain. Implications of the new paradigm for predicting future climate trends are briefly discussed.

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    • Andy says:
      December 30, 2011 at 2:52 pm

      This idea that the Greenhouse effect doesn’t exist at all has been propositioned here and elsewhere by Harry Dale Huffman (maybe not exactly as in this paper)

      This certainly would completely blow apart the CO2 AGW theory.

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      • Mike Jowsey says:
        December 31, 2011 at 3:02 pm

        The new idea here is comparing other planets to earth in terms of atmosphere, pressure, TOA temp, surface temp and GHG levels. The overall finding is that atmosphere mass and pressure is a big driver of climate. It certainly is sparking some debate, including a responding article contending that Ned Nikolov and Karl Zeller confuse cause with effect.

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  42. Andy says:
    December 31, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Congratulations to Dr David Wratt on the QSO in the New Year’s Honours list, for Services to Science

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  43. val majkus says:
    January 3, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    2012 Bloggie Awards being called for

    read all about it (you can nominate up to 3 blogs)

    closing date 15 January

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/01/02/2012-bloggies-awards-nominations-open/#more-54095

    I know what I’m going to do

    ——————————————————————————–

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  44. Richard C (NZ) says:
    January 13, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    The Year That Winter Forgot: Is It Climate Change?

    By Bryan Walsh Monday, Jan. 09, 2012

    And then there’s the less quantifiable, more lyrical value of winter — a cold, frozen, crystalline season that’s beautiful and punishing all at once. As the British poet Anne Bradstreet said, “If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant.” Climate change disrupts the rhythm of the seasons, that regular passage of time and temperature we assumed was fixed. It turns out we may be wrong, and winter as we know it could one day be a season of the past. As we keep altering the climate, who can tell what else might follow it into unplanned obsolescence.

    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2104040,00.html#ixzz1jJgYzkTI

    “…..winter as we know it could one day be a season of the past” – poetic.

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  45. Richard C (NZ) says:
    February 7, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Bill Gates backs climate scientists lobbying for large-scale geoengineering

    A small group of leading climate scientists, financially supported by billionaires including Bill Gates, are lobbying governments and international bodies to back experiments into manipulating the climate on a global scale to avoid catastrophic climate change.

    The scientists, who advocate geoengineering methods such as spraying millions of tonnes of reflective particles of sulphur dioxide 30 miles above earth, argue that a “plan B” for climate change will be needed if the UN and politicians cannot agree to making the necessary cuts in greenhouse gases, and say the US government and others should pay for a major programme of international research.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/06/bill-gates-climate-scientists-geoengineering?newsfeed=true

    I wish they’d choose another planet to “geoengineer”

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    • Andy says:
      February 7, 2012 at 10:02 am

      Does Bill plan an “uninstall” option?

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    • Richard C (NZ) says:
      February 10, 2012 at 6:28 pm

      Geoengineering proposals in the News back in 1933:-

      Men Who Can Change The Climate

      Posted on February 10, 2012 by Steven Goddard

      http://www.real-science.com/men-change-climate

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  46. Anthropogenic Global Cooling says:
    April 6, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    Great new article on Climate Change in the National Business Review – highly recommended:

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/sanity-prevail-climate-change-policy-115955

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